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Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by goalieca »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #5

I generally avoid Google products, but I do not understand the animosity towards YouTube, nor why anyone would not just pay the very small fee for YouTube Premium and do away with all the ads. The content being created for YouTube is fantastic, you can easily watch news from all over the world, conference talks, lectures, interviews, in-depth documentaries and deep dive analysis that blows away anything you'll ever s…

> I generally avoid Google products, but I do not understand the animosity towards YouTube, nor why anyone would not just pay the very small fee for YouTube Premium and do away with all the ads.

Much of the “fantastic” content I do watch on YouTube has sponsored content in the video. Mostly I avoid YouTube.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by karaterobot »

My model for this is that the top dog tries to change the landscape to serve their own interest, which makes them the bad guy. The underdog naturally opposes those changes, which makes them seem like the good guys, even though it's actually just self-serving. A defense. The underdog may even go the extra step and market themselves as the one who's on the user's side, the champion of privacy. I fell for this with Apple a few years ago. But really, all these entities are amoral and just looking for the best available path to pursue their own goals, and any decision made by any of them exists in the possibility space for all of them. It's not really trust that you should give them, it's an acknowledgement that they are (for the moment) the lesser of several evils.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by scrollaway »

candiddevmike wrote: post #8

This is a dumb take. They're both equally untrustworthy. VSCode has an insane amount of telemetry turned on, ChatGPT is monitoring everything you type, and GitHub was abused to train a LLM. Microsoft and Google have both shown they would sell your data in a heartbeat to make a quick buck.

You’re comparing vscode telemetry with “selling your data”? For real?

Do you think the amount of time you spend in the File menu is as monetizable as your search history?

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by fgsfds028374 »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #4

What's happening? Google is a company where you are not the customer, you are the product. They have also reached a mature stage where the only thing left to do is squeeze society tightly for short-term gain through psychological manipulation. I trust neither the company nor anyone working there.

Windows 10 and 11 treat you as monetizable eyeballs now, too. It's not a clear cut dichotomy.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by candiddevmike »

scrollaway wrote: post #13
candiddevmike wrote: post #8

This is a dumb take. They're both equally untrustworthy. VSCode has an insane amount of telemetry turned on, ChatGPT is monitoring everything you type, and GitHub was abused to train a LLM. Microsoft and Google have both shown they would sell your data in a heartbeat to make a quick buck.

You’re comparing vscode telemetry with “selling your data”? For real? Do you think the amount of time you spend in the File menu is as monetizable as your search history?

It's quite valuable to vendors who are trying to gauge usage and interest, yes.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #5

I generally avoid Google products, but I do not understand the animosity towards YouTube, nor why anyone would not just pay the very small fee for YouTube Premium and do away with all the ads. The content being created for YouTube is fantastic, you can easily watch news from all over the world, conference talks, lectures, interviews, in-depth documentaries and deep dive analysis that blows away anything you'll ever s…

>I generally avoid Google products, but I do not understand the animosity towards YouTube

It's still a Google product that does Google things. If you hate Google things, making an exception for YouTube is saying your standards have a price tag attached.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bastardoperator »

candiddevmike wrote: post #8

This is a dumb take. They're both equally untrustworthy. VSCode has an insane amount of telemetry turned on, ChatGPT is monitoring everything you type, and GitHub was abused to train a LLM. Microsoft and Google have both shown they would sell your data in a heartbeat to make a quick buck.

Ehh, I think this is also a bad take.

Turn off telemetry, delete ChatGPT conversations, and I like having an LLM for GitHub

versus

Give us all your personal data and we're sharing it with ad partners, your personal data is our number one product and secondary products are only made to support the first endeavor.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by isoprophlex »

Thanks to the ongoing enshittification of big tech, it's basically pissing into an ocean of piss out there, and all these takes are all relative against a terribly odious baseline of dark patterns, customer-hostile data hovering and general cheapness.

My point is... Is the observation in TFA because Microsoft is becoming more trustworthy or because Google is becoming shittier? Anyone who has had the displeasure of installing (let alone actually using) Windows 11 should know the answer.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by saiya-jin »

jrm4 wrote: post #10

Interesting, I still don't, though I acknowledge perhaps Google has the greater capacity for harm; here's why. Over time, Google absolutely has been in a position to abuse data, and to some extent it has done so -- but honestly, if you compare what they COULD do to what they END UP DOING, they're not doing so bad at all. They mostly self-correct relatively nicely. Microsoft, on the other hand, clearly does the bare m…

From my personal and limited view I agree. But to be honest, I don't trust neither, at all, probably forever. MS actively destroyed 1 decent thing I liked about them, their OS.

First they tried to make it better and actually succeeded over the years (anybody who went from Windows 95/98 into 2000/XP and realized MS can actually make stable usable modern OS would probably agree, 7 was their best OS for me). And then they went with telemetry on product that really shouldn't have any, in same vein BIOS or drivers shouldn't have any. And despite overall feedback they doubled down with it in 11. No sympathy nor morality there.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by fgsfds028374 »

pxoe wrote: post #9

make this make sense? what is this literally about? what is a coherent thought here? cause all that shows is just a haphazardly thrown together table of random stuff. microsoft has just as shitty of a track record with killing products, poor privacy and overt data collection/telemetry, and just shitty/stagnating products. like, remember that time they had a myriad of consumer products going on around windows 7/8 era,…

And the awful abortive DRM attempts that rendered your paid-for media unplayable when they lost interest. "PlaysForSure" lmao
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