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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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rhaway84773 wrote: post #250
bmitc wrote: post #209

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Everyone always brings up Emacs with regards to VS Code's remoting features, but I have yet to see anything that supports that it is anywhere close to VS Code. With VS Code, I can develop across Windows, Docker, Linux, Linux running on WSL, and macOS with zero configuration aside from setting up SSH connection configs and installing the remote extensions with a button click. All the extensions work seemlessly when re…

Personally zero configuration is not a selling point for me for a professional tool I rely on to do maybe the majority of my work. I think it’s reasonable to not hold hours or even days of setup and learning against a product I’d use in this fashion. Even a tiny 1% productivity benefit obtained after configuration and learning earns me about 2.5 dev days worth of benefit every year. And if I expect to use the tool fo…

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tiberious726 wrote: post #242
bmitc wrote: post #209

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Everyone always brings up Emacs with regards to VS Code's remoting features, but I have yet to see anything that supports that it is anywhere close to VS Code. With VS Code, I can develop across Windows, Docker, Linux, Linux running on WSL, and macOS with zero configuration aside from setting up SSH connection configs and installing the remote extensions with a button click. All the extensions work seemlessly when re…

To also be that one guy, emacs has had this with the ssh method in TRAMP basically since ssh existed. (Not the devcontainer stuff, it has something similar, but it wasn't till LXC/Docker got popular that emacs could do it that way. At least on Linux) I agree, it's amazing and great that more people are finally using this methodology, but certainly not new to VSCode

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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by exodust »

whynotminot wrote: post #94
jareklupinski wrote: post #48

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stop pretending that paying them extra money removes all ads would help "Removes _some_ ads!" probably wouldnt sell as many subscriptions though haha

It’s not some ads. It’s like 90% of ads. Whenever I use someone else’s account or am not logged in I’m shocked by how ad filled YouTube is. Easily my most automatic subscription and worth every penny. The creators typically have one 30 second spot where they often do a humorous riff. Not that big a deal.

Sounds like you value youtube premium because of what it doesn't show more than what it does.

Google: "Pay the monthly fee to avoid getting slapped in the face with a wet fish."

You: "worth every penny!"

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by rectang »

bastardoperator wrote: post #235
rectang wrote: post #98

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> I like having an LLM for GitHub That LLM was trained on FOSS software that others like myself wrote and did not consent to have used in such a manner. Even if you're also a FOSS contributor and you're fine with it, I'm not. So you like it, but you're not the party whose consent matters. You're the customer consuming the laundered goods from the fence.

OSS people complaining about licenses while simultaneously ignoring the license they granted Github is peak irony. I'm totally fine with it, it's why I do it, I don't need accolades and I'm not straddling a user with legal agreements, that's not freedom in my mind.

GitHub only has the FOSS license because the TOS applies only to the owner of the repo, but contributors to the code in the repo are not required to agree to the TOS. None of the popular FOSS licenses except CC0 grant rights which allow LLM training — they all require attribution at least and the copyleft licenses require reciprocity (when the copied code is substantial enough for the license to apply).

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by callalex »

derefr wrote: post #72
Retric wrote: post #35

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What could do with your data to make more money that they aren’t? Sure in theory they could be selling access to anyone’s Gmail account to the highest bidder, but that’s going to lose them money by actively driving their customers away. Google may be actively harmful/evil, but they aren’t stupid.

Indexing and fingerprinting your browser history locally in Chrome, to generate a set of demographic and special-interest identifier tags, that are then attached to your Google account; where the special-interests are used by Google Ads to personalize the ad auctions, and the demos are used by Google Ads to price your CPMs.

If you are not making a joke, I would like to point out to you and other readers that you are directly describing Google’s proposed stalking web standard they call FLoC https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/googles-floc-terrible-...

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Post by petabytes »

bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #165
irusensei wrote: post #143

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I can’t force myself to like vscode. I need to code right? So I need 1-to be able to write text, 2-syntax highlighting. VSCode is an absolute mess of unnecessary plugins and popup that reminds me of an internet explorer 6 with too many web bars and a bonzi buddy dancing at the bottom of the screen. I also dislike Chrome and any chrome based reskin. I appreciate Firefox and even Safari. Specially Safari for the same r…

You can turn off a load of stuff. You don't have to install any plugins. VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects. Lots of separate VM dev environments with different editor configuration and tool requirements, and more or less only SSH config and keys to connect me to…

Another great feature is the refactoring plugins, haven't seen that in any CLI editors

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Post by exodust »

pb7 wrote: post #145
ftlio wrote: post #124

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Not as weird as this meme. You assume it’s some signal expression rather than that I would just pay Google money every month to provide search results that don’t prioritize advertisements over more accurate results that don’t calculate a margin.

YouTube Premium exists and there are still masses of people that refuse to pay for it despite hating ads. You’re in the minority.

> refuse to pay

Interesting way to put it. Almost like refusing to pay the local thugs for "protection", and seeing the consequences of not paying get worse every year.

Google increased ads on youtube to the point where it's now ugly and excessive. This doesn't make premium more valuable in its own right. It makes avoiding premium more uncomfortable, which is a lot different than your implication that people refuse or can't see the value of premium.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by midoridensha »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #140
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

Trust doesn’t mean I think they’re angels. I think MS is an awful company that tries to win by destroying the competition using all sorts of legal and illegal tricks to do so. At the same time, it MS starts a new product, I would trust them to support it for a reasonable amount of time and give a reasonable amount of transition time if they did decide to wind it down based entirely on their history. OTOH, 4 years ago…

This just tells me that Google is by far the more trustworthy company. You don't have to worry much about them trying to destroy all the competition, and thus removing your choices. The key to Google is to simply not trust that their non-core products will actually last.

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Post by Corrado »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #75
slavapestov wrote: post #3

Times are changin’. All you young whippersnappers wouldn’t believe that back in my day, Microsoft was evil, Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy, and Google was the scrappy upstart who prided themselves on not serving ads and irrelevant fluff on the search results page.

If you go back enough, Microsoft was the scrappy upstart, sort of. They were this small software company loved by most, the creators of Windows and Excel and all that. The amount of fuckery going on the background never saw the light of day back then. People seemed to be happy with them bundling more and more crap in their products, a move that killed most of their competition. They haven’t given up on that, to the p…

>But Microsoft has and will always try to control the entirety of the stack, from hardware to servers to operating systems to applications, in a way that would make any Apple exec salivate thinking about vertical integration.

I always said that the perfect stack was probably a 100% Microsoft stack. Everything they build (OS, email, mice, keyboards, etc.) works great with everything else they build. The problem is that putting even one non-Microsoft item in the stack causes the whole thing to implode.

Want to use a MacBook Pro on the network? Too bad, now your printers don't work. Want to install Chrome? Now you can't use certain Sharepoint features. Plug in a Logitech webcam and now Teams hates you.

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