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How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by mikro2nd »

berbec wrote: post #4

This is a nice statement, but the TOS is the important part, not what this marketing piece says. > You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, cop…

Funny how people have been granting pretty much the same batch of rights to Microsoft for decades when they used Skype, and nobody minded.

In addition Skype's ToS granted MS a licence to any and all IP you might discuss during a Skype call.[1] I wonder why no businesses were bothered by that...?

[1] ...decades ago, I don't know how it reads now, can't be arsed to check.

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by cudgy »

aftbit wrote: post #54
gnfargbl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which provider will you be moving to, and have you checked that their ToS are more acceptable?

If you don't need the "advanced" zoom features, I can highly recommend Jitsi. Free public service and you can self-host if you need it. We have been running a fully remote company with 90% of meetings via Jitsi since COVID with great success. I recommend Chrome over Firefox though, as FF's WebRTC support is behind Google's.

Doesn’t using a Google product taint the solution, if privacy is a major concern? Also, WebRTC leaks ip addresses when using a VPN.

What is the secure way to video conference? Webex? FaceTime offers end to end encryption, but can not easily share non-mac os screens.

Articles like this sure make me like Apple sometimes

https://9to5mac.com/2023/07/20/apple-imessage-facetime-remov...

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by haldujai »

robertlagrant wrote: post #127
haldujai wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BAA ( https://explore.zoom.us/docs/en-us/baa.html ) looks the same. Did you mean to the TOS (which is subject to change as has now happened twice)? The BAA still states: Zoom shall not Use and/or Disclose the Protected Health Information except as otherwise limited in this Agreement ... for the proper management and administration of Zoom ... Zoom will only use the minimum necessary Protected Health information n…

For me, that BAA doc flashes up and immediately redirects me to the homepage.

Strange, only seems to be happening to me on mobile.

This should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20230808072418/https://explore.z...

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by gmerc »

mikro2nd wrote: post #131
berbec wrote: post #4

This is a nice statement, but the TOS is the important part, not what this marketing piece says. > You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, cop…

Funny how people have been granting pretty much the same batch of rights to Microsoft for decades when they used Skype, and nobody minded . In addition Skype's ToS granted MS a licence to any and all IP you might discuss during a Skype call.[1] I wonder why no businesses were bothered by that...? [1] ...decades ago, I don't know how it reads now, can't be arsed to check.

Times have changed. AI invokes existential dread.

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

To pile on the alternative recommendations: I've enjoyed using Whereby[0] in the past. I also somehow keep forgetting about them in these discussions until someone reminds me. The main thing of it for me is it's been more reliable than Jitsi (though I do need to give Jitsi another try) and doesn't need to be self-hosted.

[0]https://whereby.com/

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by raverbashing »

berbec wrote: post #4

This is a nice statement, but the TOS is the important part, not what this marketing piece says. > You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, cop…

They have amended the TOS with this statement:

> Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

gruez wrote: post #110
TheRealPomax wrote: post #88

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I wish, the bigger the company, the smaller the fines (proportionally) tend to be. Like slapping Google on the wrist with a $125m fine. "oh no, an amount we can make back in about an hour, whatever shall we do!"

>Like slapping Google on the wrist with a $125m fine. "oh no, an amount we can make back in about an hour, whatever shall we do!" If the specific misconduct they got caught for netted them $x, and they got fined for $5x, who cares how much % of their global revenue is? That specific crime was still a net negative for them. I'm not sure why conglomerates should be punished more harshly just because they have more reve…

I get where you're coming from, but corporations should be fined massively for bad behavior to act as a deterrent.

Personally I think that C levels should automatically be disbarred if the corporation is found guilty of criminality as that puts responsibility on the people with the power to prevent it.

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by alpaca128 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #126
dietr1ch wrote: post #120

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This doublespeak should result in huge fines, but there's lobbying instead

And corrupt officials that accept the lobbying, which is the bad bit.

"It's not corruption, it's lobbying", the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" of politics.

Re: How Zoom’s terms of service and practices apply to AI features

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Post by robertlagrant »

alpaca128 wrote: post #139
robertlagrant wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And corrupt officials that accept the lobbying, which is the bad bit.

"It's not corruption, it's lobbying", the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" of politics.

Well, the practice of being able to take your case to the government is a great one. The government - already paid for with free money from non-government people working - is the one letting itself be corruptable.
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