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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by JohnFen »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #128
JohnFen wrote: post #118

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> What do you expect them to do? If they can't bring themselves to do what's right, the least they can do is be ashamed of what they're doing. > So why single out only Intel engineers for what is common place around these parts? Because this particular example is about Intel. When other companies that do this come into the spotlight, then the same criticism is levelled at the devs enabling them as well. Big picture,…

>then the same criticism is levelled at the devs enabling them as well It isn't. Nobody criticizes those who work at Google or Meta here. There's more talk about maximizing your TC there, than telling people not to work there. Double standards, probably because Intel doesn't pay as good as Google/Meta so it's easy to throw stones where you don't plan to work anyway, but people stay quiet when it comes to places where…

> Nobody criticizes those who work at Google or Meta here.

What can I say? I see such criticism frequently. I even pile onto it from time to time.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by ycombinete »

sukruh wrote: post #141
Workaccount2 wrote: post #96

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The worst thing about linux is that it is made an maintained by people who like linux. I would love more than anything to see a paid fork of linux whose goal was to make a power user friendly user OS that never needs to pull up a CLI. People will come out of woodwork here to suggest whatever shitty half-assed CLI wrapper enviroment. No. No. No. They suck. I have been using them on and off for 20 years. Including righ…

FWIW ChatGPT is pretty good in generating the specific Bash incantations you need to perform if you describe what you want to do in plain English and don't forget to add the specific version of the OS you're using. Unless what you're trying to do is pretty advanced and would be cumbersome in any other OS as well. Learning specific API's are over. Mostly.

Yeah I used chatgpt to write the string for a cronjob yesterday, and then an awk script to parse the output.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by networkchad »

inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

JohnFen wrote: post #161
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #128

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>then the same criticism is levelled at the devs enabling them as well It isn't. Nobody criticizes those who work at Google or Meta here. There's more talk about maximizing your TC there, than telling people not to work there. Double standards, probably because Intel doesn't pay as good as Google/Meta so it's easy to throw stones where you don't plan to work anyway, but people stay quiet when it comes to places where…

> Nobody criticizes those who work at Google or Meta here. What can I say? I see such criticism frequently. I even pile onto it from time to time.

They criticize only the companies but not the workers who choose to work there like how the original poster choose to criticize those working at Intel for implementing telemetry. That's the difference. Meta/Google workers aren't judged here for working at these un-ethical companies.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by heyoni »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #159
heyoni wrote: post #89

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Are you using nvidia drivers by any chance? And correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t KDE neon supposed to be a bit less stable?

The black desktop used to happen on every brand of GPU (I have a mix of Intel and AMD), it just had to be the third or the fourth display, something like that. Or after sleeping and waking. I used to have it a lot. I haven’t seen it in a while, though, so it just might be they have fixed it. Fedora + zawertun COPR, for what it’s worth.

I recently fixed this issue with KDE not coming back from sleep by setting it so that the VRAM is all saved on my nvidia card: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nvidia

Trying to explain it I'm actually not sure I 100% understand the solution. It looks like it uses systemd for sleep AND saves all of the VRAM (I'm guessing into RAM if I'm using anything other than hibernate).

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by boomboomsubban »

erwincoumans wrote: post #156
hef19898 wrote: post #120

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Linux is great! And, thanks to Steam, a lot of games wirk as well. Not all, but most. Ubuntu, I haven't tried anything else so far, is a charm on Lenovo hardware. Update wise, it is were Windows was a couple of years ago. Meaning there are random updates that just kill and break certain functions. Happened last week, everything was running fine, including steam, as it always did. Until an update managed to delete the…

It would be great if Linux had some automatic checkpoints so you can revert to a working system after an update. So many times updates leave a broken system and re-install Ubuntu from scratch is quicker than fixing the problem.

Bootable snapshots are a thing, also known as boot environments. You need to use ZFS or btrfs, or possibly bcachefs or LVM offer them. And they never have seemed to have a great implementation on Linux compared FreeBSD, but they do exist.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by RajT88 »

codedokode wrote: post #30
barbazoo wrote: post #2

> Intel CIP is functionally similar to the Telemetry component of the GeForce Software. NVIDIA's Telemetry is installed and enabled by default along with your GeForce graphics drivers, and you cannot opt out from it, as it does not even figure in the "custom" installer options. No idea what data Nvidia collects but this sounds even more shady.

Ridiculous, Nvidia cards are expensive and on top of that they collect the data for free.

High end TV's are filled with all the crapware and telemetry shenanigans of the low end TV's as well. Why would companies not double dip?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by tomrod »

freedude wrote: post #107
sph wrote: post #98

We need a new rule for tech, that says "Any major tech conglomerate grows until their main source of revenue is tracking and telemetry." Why the fuck does Intel need to know "the category of websites I visit, but not the URL themselves"? Who defines the categories? We all know that metadata is at this point as important as data. Stallman was right.

Now wait and see what AI does with all of that data...

As a practitioner in the AI space: absolutely nothing useful.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by bravetraveler »

heyoni wrote: post #147
bravetraveler wrote: post #102

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Almost surely! Outside of seeing obvious signs like VirtIO devices, one can go to great lengths to hide the virtualization Similar tricks that work for the ESEA Anti Cheat client and Nvidia code 43 will likely suffice VFIO takes this a step further and provides one less virtualized device

I really want to try VFIO and ditch my windows install completely but I'm worried about anti cheats. Nice to hear there are steps you can take... You have experience with this? If so, just wondering...are there linux distributions to avoid for VFIO? I'm between arch and NixOS, nothing too outside of the mainstream.

It's definitely worth a whirl! Some anti-cheats are more effective at catching this than others.

I was using this as my method of 'Gaming on Linux' until Proton became a thing.

Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. I even had SLi working with two RTX2080s! Hacked drivers and EFIGuard to bypass security things

Valorant was the one game I couldn't really manage.

Perhaps with more determination, but I lost interest rather quickly. Not that into the game and Proton really hurt my VFIO involvement; the timing was unfortunate.

There are some rote edits to the libvirt XML I can't recall. Both to get the nvidia driver to work (if applicable, look for 'code 43'), and to hide the VM state for anti-cheats.

You'll generally be well served by your distribution of choice with modern kernels and QEMU/libvirt.

I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new!

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by bee_rider »

nottorp wrote: post #88
gambiting wrote: post #81

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>>...if you're a software engineer. I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all the nonsense of using Windows.

But you can only use it to write Windows software? Unless you mean VSCode which is cross platform.

I think they must mean legacy visual studio, rather than VSCode.

VSCode is of course very portable. It also seems to be Microsoft’s (successful) attempt to get everybody to use a reasonable Linux-style workfow. If you look at it as a text editor and terminal in a tiling window manager, it suddenly makes sense that it became so popular.

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