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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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post #36

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You don't understand the GDPR then. The focus is on controlling where data goes (not out of the EU), but your point is about telemetry in general. If you keep the data inside the EU and manage it in a way that's compliant with the GDPR then then that telemetry doesn't put you in jeopardy. If you want to be protected for telemetry then you need to advocate for better legislation. Stating that something is covered by t…

GDPR is not only about where the data goes, it's also about asking for the user explicit consent for their data collection [0], this is what I was referring to. Not the telemetry collection. I just thought it worked for other stuff than cookies. https://www.privacyaffairs.com/cookie-consent/

I think that's a good point. Companies are likely going to try to neutralize this by saying that telemetry just being another kind of data that they can make safe by removing PII etc.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

#112
post #54
post #11

Which platforms does this apply on? The article doesn't mention eg Windows or Linux.

This is 650MB[1] Windows bloatware (now spyware) that gets installed alongside the driver. For 99.999% of users, it provides absolutely no benefit[2]. For Linux users, all that is required is a periodic update to the open source kernel, as well as proprietary firmware blobs, and open source Mesa software, and that's it. If you really feel it necessary to see statistics for your Intel GPU, there is a sysfs interface f…

650 MB for a graphics driver, to support a small family of related GPUs, on 1 or 2 OSes? Just... wow, unbelievable. What a waste of bandwidth, storage & RAM / CPU resources.

I look forward to the day where one could take such an installer, have AI assistant install it inside a simulator, decode & categorize every byte installed (+ in the installer that goes in), then maps out the function of each byte. Just for giggles.

I'll predict the functionality vs. fluff ratio must be 1:10000 or worse on this thing.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

#113
post #87

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>> Everything works. I'm a video games developer. Neither PS5, Xbox nor Switch toolchains work under linux - not to mention that actual proper Visual Studio doesn't and that alone is worth staying on windows for. For playing games though - sure, Linux is already great. Steam Deck proves that by playing pretty much everything flawlessly.

Also good luck in convincing Native Instruments and other musical instrument developers to also compile their plug-ins for Linux.

Do VSTs not work on Linux? I'm not being obtuse, I am in a situation where I'm about to build a new PC for writing / recording music and I saw that Reaper is supported in Linux, but was not sure about VST plugin support.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

#114
post #49

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> Everything works. ...if you're a software engineer. If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count.

>>...if you're a software engineer. I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all the nonsense of using Windows.

Out of curiosity, how does Visual Studio (proper) stack up against JetBrains tools, especially CLion?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

#115
post #97

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Please show me a F500 publicly listed company that isn't greedy. The way our capitalist economy functions and CEO compensations are set, encourages nothing but greed and short therm profits at the expense of everything else.

It's the pressure for growth. Who started this trend of rewarding shareholders through share price increase instead of dividends? Was it Apple? Some entity in an unrelated market 50 years before Apple?

What difference does that make?

The demand for returns comes from equity owners, such as people with 401k and pension funds.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

#117
post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

The worst thing about linux is that it is made an maintained by people who like linux. I would love more than anything to see a paid fork of linux whose goal was to make a power user friendly user OS that never needs to pull up a CLI. People will come out of woodwork here to suggest whatever shitty half-assed CLI wrapper enviroment. No. No. No. They suck. I have been using them on and off for 20 years. Including righ…

Power users require CLI on every OS. Not just Linux, but also Windows or OSX, to be specific.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

#118
post #9

How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? For the record: I'm a graphics driver engineer myself.

>How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? Same how can Google/Meta engineers work at the biggest user tracking ad empires and not be ashamed. What do you expect them to do? Quit their jobs in protest? Other engineers who need that money will gladly do it. Everyone has their price, not everyone has the luxury of being so picky with their carriers, especially when it comes to hav…

> What do you expect them to do?

If they can't bring themselves to do what's right, the least they can do is be ashamed of what they're doing.

> So why single out only Intel engineers for what is common place around these parts?

Because this particular example is about Intel. When other companies that do this come into the spotlight, then the same criticism is levelled at the devs enabling them as well. Big picture, Intel's not being singled out.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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> How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? These aren't engineering decisions but marketing ones. The role of an engineer is to engineer a solution, not make business decisions. The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place.

> The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place. And this lack of accountability is exactly why our world is the way it is. Just remember anyone can justify evil behavior if they try hard enough. Why? because people are not basically good by nature. They are basically evil by nature. Observe any 2-3 year old throwing…

> And this lack of accountability is exactly why our world is the way it is. Just remember anyone can justify evil behavior if they try hard enough. Why? because people are not basically good by nature. They are basically evil by nature. Observe any 2-3 year old throwing a fit and you might begin to grasp the concept.

There is no "lack of accountability" anywhere in that story. Nothing done here was illegal, nor "evil" which is an unnecessary hyperbole.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

#120
post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

Linux is great! And, thanks to Steam, a lot of games wirk as well. Not all, but most.

Ubuntu, I haven't tried anything else so far, is a charm on Lenovo hardware. Update wise, it is were Windows was a couple of years ago. Meaning there are random updates that just kill and break certain functions. Happened last week, everything was running fine, including steam, as it always did. Until an update managed to delete the GUI, reinstalling the GUI killed nVidia drivers, Steam couldn't be installed under 23.04 for some missing dataset, installing said data (some 32-bit stuff) killed WiFi...

No attack on Linux so, I rember that not too long ago I stopped all Eindows updates because for months the auto-updates had the same effect (save the WiFi bit).

So yes, my dqily, private driver is Linux. And will be, except for games, for the time being. All I uave to do now, well after vacation, is to get Steam running properly again. Feels like a throwback to the pre Win 10 days, when Windows randomly did the same thing with regards to drivers and certain games / programs.

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