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They didn’t ask to go viral

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Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by WWLink »

bloopernova wrote: post #166
arp242 wrote: post #92

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Online I always try to talk about people as if the person I'm talking about would read it. It's always easy to be harsh when no one's watching, but the thing is that online you never know if they are. This doesn't mean I don't criticize posts or people, I just do it as if that person would read it. I started doing this after some of my weblog posts (mostly about programming) ended up on Reddit and HN, and I read some…

reddit is pretty bad now, I didn't realize when I was there regularly but after a break it's really shocking. I went there last night to read any first person accounts of the streamer riot yesterday in New York's Union Square. Instead there was a lot of racism and hate.

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Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by str3wer »

ryukoposting wrote: post #209
mvncleaninst wrote: post #87

> Still, a blanket law against posting strangers without their consent would be draconian and unworkable. There are too many variables, too many circumstances, and simply too many cases. I disagree. If someone (who is a non public figure) is the subject of a photo/video and has their likeness used without consent by a third party, the third party should be liable. There should be legal recourse for the victim to sue…

Such a law would create the perfect environment for police brutality.

recording a video of someone ≠ posting a video of them

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by rightbyte »

imiric wrote: post #208
rightbyte wrote: post #162

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Reddit is far worse than human nature, I believe. The upvote and downvote system favours people that are authoritarian (as a personality trait). There is this sect like wibe nowadays on Reddit.

I don't think voting is related. There are some subreddits that do have quality content, but this requires a substantial moderation effort. The *chan sites are even worse than Reddit, and there's no user voting AFAIK. Slashdot had a voting system before Reddit, and the discussion there is mostly civilized. Usenet didn't have a voting system, and the discussions were civilized before Eternal September, when users gene…

No I think the upvote and downvote system gives psychotic vibes. The normal disagreement does not exist (outside some niche subs maybe).

I dunno but Slashdot but you can have a voting system if users are not using it to silence those they disagree with. Not showing the score goes a long way of keeping it sane, like HN.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by carlosjobim »

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #210
carlosjobim wrote: post #38

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With the internet, citizens can anonymously criticize a politician, publish compromising information on the politician, ridicule the politician, and even call them insulting names! With political power, the politician can restrict the freedom of the citizen, confiscate the property of the citizen, order the citizen to the front lines, declare the citizen a non-human, torture the citizen, execute the citizen, and exte…

“Don’t worry, sane people can still run for office, they just can torture and execute their constituents family” is quite the argument to make..

That would be quite the argument indeed.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by arp242 »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #37
roenxi wrote: post #3

The "everyone:1" ratio of internet criticism also has had an interesting effect on politics. Given the sheer amount of vitriol directed at politicians no sane person would run for election. A plausible base-case scenario is a group of socially disabled internet dwellers dedicate their life to hounding you for imagined wrongs. Let alone the pressure of making any decision in a situation where large groups of people ar…

10% of US presidents were assassinated and 20% of them had assassination attempts. Congressmen have been assassinated, judges, state politicians, mayors. If you go into politics, getting made fun of on the internet is the least of your worries, you're going to need a thick skin. If someone is making fun of you on Twitter, at least you've got name recognition.

"US President" is of course not synonymous with "politician"; even if we look at just the US, minor politicians that are only of limited local interest can now run the risk of becoming a target of a sea of vitriol, in Twitter or elsewhere.

If I look at Dutch Twitter then it's basically a small army of extremely motivated trolls with a lot of spare time who will comment on what seems like every single political tweet so that basically any engagement in any way has become all but impossible. These are people who call the Dutch equivalent of the Tories "extreme left" and consider anyone on the "extreme left" a traitor and fair target for seemingly anything.

Imagine every single comment you make on HN having several hundred replies ranging from calling you an asshole, to accusing you of all sorts of "crimes", to threatening to literally cut your throat. These things really do wear you down, especially if you're not really looking for the limelight, which most politicians aren't really (for every MP you can name there are a dozen more backbenchers).

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by LocalH »

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #210
carlosjobim wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the internet, citizens can anonymously criticize a politician, publish compromising information on the politician, ridicule the politician, and even call them insulting names! With political power, the politician can restrict the freedom of the citizen, confiscate the property of the citizen, order the citizen to the front lines, declare the citizen a non-human, torture the citizen, execute the citizen, and exte…

“Don’t worry, sane people can still run for office, they just can torture and execute their constituents family” is quite the argument to make..

That doesn't really seem like a good-faith reading of the parent comment.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by dredmorbius »

madeofpalk wrote: post #29
blueflow wrote: post #8

The online shaming culture at tumblr, twitter and reddit was what convinced me that you need to stay pseudonymous on the internet at all cost. There are so many people that participate in this and haven't realized yet that they are being an asshole to random strangers.

Don’t try and pretend HN takes the moral high ground. This is something - regardless of how big of a problem you think it is - that permeates. Once a month there will be a link to some GitHub or issue where everyone will pile on about some stupid issue.

HN is human-moderated, by both members and staff moderators. There is ... limited ... automatic moderation. Which means that some things do slip through the cracks.

(There are multiple mods, though dang is the public face.)

If you see something, say something: by flagging every-day dreck, or by emailing mods in the case of something exceptionally bad.

I do both. Flagging is a daily thing, email for abuse / transgressions maybe a few times a quarter.

Edit: Clarified first 'graph.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by Gud »

plagiarist wrote: post #157
Gud wrote: post #152

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the_donald was banned years ago, along with many other far right subs. Where are these far right wing subs? Right or wrong, I don't really care. The far right has been effectively purged from Reddit.

Maybe a single hive was removed after years of activity. The users from the Donald were not removed. They moved to other subreddits where they persist with the same behaviors. There has certainly not been any sort of purge.

Where? I just don’t see it.

It looks to me they moved elsewhere, in some cases probably more radical communities.

https://pbfcomics.com/comics/deeply-held-beliefs/

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Post by waithuh »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #142
waithuh wrote: post #96

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Reddit has a far everything. From tankies in denial to straight up Nazis, Admins do nothing with both sides. I used to like the libertarian approach (except the borderline/straight up cp subs...) but it is evident that they dont do anything except punishing their own community and censoring what they dont like because of being understaffed and underqualified rather than sacrificing on advertising revenue for the sake…

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my HN client doesnt have notifications. You havent been to 'every corner of Reddit' if you are making this claim. Especially around the 2016-2018 mark, there used to be horrible subs. The far lefters overtook (mostly), for sure, but Reddit used to be (maybe still is, i dont know) the front for recruiting new misguided teens for those forums you mentioned.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by bandyaboot »

dude187 wrote: post #218
bandyaboot wrote: post #193

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> [have the government] Create a negative outcome for companies that perform politically biased censorship Let’s not leave out an important few words.

No, the government does not create the negative outcome. It is simply an act of removing broad protections granted to a social media company from hosting illegal content. When it's clear that the assumption they have little control over the overall content are not true, because the act to censor to politically slant said content. The risk comes completely from their members and the ones who may sue them

Why has the focus been purely on instances of perceived political bias if this isn’t just a pretext for punishing the wrong type of perceived political bias? Shouldn’t any demonstration of content control cause the same loss of protection (and cause the same fervent calls for loss of protection)? This would include removing illegal content. Removing illegal content, under your theory, should cause a platform to lose protection from hosting illegal content.
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