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Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Rummaging though someone's personal belongings is not the same as observing and reporting what they do in public. I am not making that argument, and you are being disingenuous to imply that I am.

well i am making that argument and im not implying any thing. >> observing and reporting what they do in public.<< try this for real, you wont like what the observed response is.

What do you think journalists and reporters do? Is their work immoral?

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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The online shaming culture at tumblr, twitter and reddit was what convinced me that you need to stay pseudonymous on the internet at all cost. There are so many people that participate in this and haven't realized yet that they are being an asshole to random strangers.

Online I always try to talk about people as if the person I'm talking about would read it. It's always easy to be harsh when no one's watching, but the thing is that online you never know if they are. This doesn't mean I don't criticize posts or people, I just do it as if that person would read it.

I started doing this after some of my weblog posts (mostly about programming) ended up on Reddit and HN, and I read some of the comments on that. Some actual quotes (mostly from Reddit's /r/programming): “moron”, “idiot”, “retard”, “you must have an IQ lower than 65”, “fucking suck at making software (and I guess generally anything)”, “you’re like the anti-vaxxer of front-end development”, “this is hate speech” (context was about a technical topic they disagreed with, no politics at all involved).

And there's more ways to be unfriendly than using "bad words" like "idiot", such as not actually reading the post before commenting (frustratingly common), being excessively pedantic, very aggressive but without actually using insults, etc. I remember one guy who for some reason really had it in for me and did a line-by-line "rebuttal" on several posts, picking on the tiniest thing, resulting in some comments that were longer than the article article than he was responding to, but usually never really addressing the core point. Odd person shrug.

HN has been a bit better overall, though not perfect either.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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> I'm always shocked by just how vicious the Reddit community is Eventually you won't be shocked. It's anonymous and you can say (almost) anything you like. Moderation of large subs is a joke, even before the strike. Just like the reddit "Trust and Safety" team, the mods of this particular subreddit, even though the post violated a sub rule along with the site rule, stayed up, unlocked. > but not anymore if it become…

Reddit has always been hostile/tribal, I would say it's slightly less so than in the past.

Absolutely not, in the beginning it was a super welcoming community, that openly accepted all types of people with open arms, where you could have friendly debates with people you'd probably punch in the face in real life.

But it quickly changed as reddit became a more mainstream 4chan alternative rather than the welcoming community it was in beginning.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when in public. While it's certainly polite not to take photos of strangers and post them without asking if it's ok, you shouldn't morally or legally need permission. They're in public. Their actions can be seen by anyone else in public who crosses paths with them, whether online or off. There are cameras everywhere, and a random person with their smartphone should not be…

There’s a gulf between the lack of expectation of privacy and that information pushed into a social media platform. Sure, I don’t have an expectation of privacy. But I do have an expectation of not being made into content for anyone to consume.

I don't think that's a realistic expectation, and hasn't been since at least the middle of the last century. Public acts have been in the media for a long long time.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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I hate to break it to you, but a sever in Google’s data center is not a private place. And if you shower in a public shower? For instance at the gym or pool? I believe you’re beginning to see that you have certain expectations of privacy in public too.

There's a reason I don't use Google products and block Google IP addresses. And I still expect that videos of me showering and the gym would not be posted online. It's not about who owns the property, it's about whether I'm in a place where I can be seen by the public.

Anyone is free to sign up to the gym and go to the showers. And it’s not about Google specifically. Any server is located out in what is essentially public. When you connect over the internet, you’re essentially leaving your house to go to that server.

Let’s say you used radio waves to operate a robot on a public street. Would it be invasive for those nearby to look at the robot? According to you, yes it would be because you’re controlling the robot from the privacy of your home. Or if you control the robot into someone’s yard. Wouldn’t they have a right to look at it? I’m not sure how you physically sitting at home changes things.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Reddit is a cesspool. There are people actively using it for radicalization. It takes them far too long to shut down subreddits dedicated to far-right eugenicist delusions, if they do so at all.

My man… if you think the problem with Reddit is “far right” that is just how far your perspective is skewed. There are a lot of accusations to make at Reddit; that is by far not even close to reality.

Reddit has a far everything. From tankies in denial to straight up Nazis, Admins do nothing with both sides. I used to like the libertarian approach (except the borderline/straight up cp subs...) but it is evident that they dont do anything except punishing their own community and censoring what they dont like because of being understaffed and underqualified rather than sacrificing on advertising revenue for the sake of liberty and pulling users that way.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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There should be a right to be forgotten https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_be_forgotten

HN/YCombinator does not honor this correctly from a EU law perspective. They don't allow you to delete your content. What they do offer is renaming your account. I'm salivating for this monster lawsuit once they they have enough EU exposure. It will probably be based in Germany. @switch007: They are investing in European companies. That's exposure. @walthamstow: Look up the "Right to erasure" aspect of the GDPR. (Why…

Does HN have an EU company? If not, why should EU law apply?

I’m mostly pro EU but I’m against countries/unions enforcing their laws beyond their borders.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Social media truly is the opioid of today's society. While browsing /r/all, I ran across a post from a very popular sub which had an airport worker stripping in the airport, flailing on the floor, etc. No one knows why, could have been drugs, could have been a mental defect. Yet many of the thousands of responses were laughing because they could see the man's flaccid penis. While we don't know what caused the man to…

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Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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But what about the legality? You don't need people to sign a release form if you're a photojournalist or anything considered to be an editorial source. But as professional filmmakers know, you absolutely do need a release form if you're producing anything commercial (for sale). Or if you're pushing the boundaries of this like they do when filming Law & Order, to at least put up prominent signs so Manhattan pedestrian…

AFAIK, there is no requirement to gather release forms from someone you happen to film in public. It is simply something done to reduce exposure to possible civil liability on commercial shoots. Avoiding lawsuits is the point of those forms, not winning them.

> there is no requirement to gather release forms from someone you happen to film in public.

It probably depends on where you are. France and Germany for instance have stricter rules on the subject of photographing people in public places.

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