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The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices and generally making Apple stuff only work with other Apple stuff, not to mention their 30% fees on their app store while also not allowing other app stores, are all anticompetitive practices, which the EU is well regulating soon.

Some of those may be reason to bring legal action, but breaking up Apple over this seems insane.

Yeah I wouldn't break them up but they are anticompetitive which is what was asked.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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It sounds like this is only about google search. How can that be broken up? Or are they just going to get fined many billions of dollars and they lose their right to being the default search engine on iPhones?

The author is just focusing on this aspect bc that’s this case, but there’s multiple ongoing. E.g. there’s one about monopolistic practices in the online ad business. Specifically here: How does Google lock out rivals? Well, it pays $45 billion a year to have distributors refuse to carry its competitor’s products, signing deals with “Apple, LG, Motorola, and Samsung; major U.S. wireless carriers such as AT&T, T-Mobil…

That sounds anticompetitive to me. But I understand that proving criminal anticompetitive behavior is extremely difficult under US law, which is why it almost never happens. And companies as large as Google can outpunch regulators on legal spending, paying ex-government lawyers millions per year to work around the rules.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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> Google improves search every year. I don’t believe this based on my own search experience getting worse year over year. I believe they know how to improve it, but they choose to increase revenue instead. Results seem to be less relevant to me and there are frequently more ad results than organic that display on the page. I think they are able to do this because of lock in with users and vendors. If there was more c…

Perhaps you and Google have different definitions of quality.

I am confident this is the case.

there is some vp of the search in goodle, and he has bunch of metrics on his screen, some go down and some go up, and he obviously will chose those metrics which looks favorable to report to upper level, and then promote people who did "great" job of achieving those metrics, and fund and expand their projects.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Won't this kill Firefox if Google gets told it cant pay browsers to put it as default? That would suck.

It would kill the Mozilla Corporation in its current form and hopefully get us Baker's head (as least metaphorically if nothing else) but it will not necessarily be the end of the browser itself.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Google controls mine as search and gmail and chrome are major ways that I communicate with others. It’s difficult not to use them because my employer and many sites require chrome. I’m not sure what the gmail market share is, but chrome and search are over 50% and they’ve used that market position to harm users (showing ads for their own products until you choose chrome) and harm competitors (showing their own ads ab…

Can you communicate anything you want or does Google control what you're able to say (i.e. "control your communications")

If I say something "wrong" on YouTube my entire account can be banned. I will lose all my passwords and identity.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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It is all the other search engines that are crap. Plenty exist, they just suck.

I switched a while ago to DDG and about a year ago to Startpage and both are good enough. It was sure hard to get used to because of presumption that Google has better results but after a while you don't care anymore and find what you're looking for anyway.

> DDG and about a year ago to Startpage

do they have their own search infra?

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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> Google improves search every year. I don’t believe this based on my own search experience getting worse year over year. I believe they know how to improve it, but they choose to increase revenue instead. Results seem to be less relevant to me and there are frequently more ad results than organic that display on the page. I think they are able to do this because of lock in with users and vendors. If there was more c…

I think you don't understand how much worse the internet has gotten - there are a large amount of bad actors actively trying to make google worse (junk content, etc) - Even just providing the same level of quality results with decreasing quality source data is an improvement. If it was easy to extract better results there would be competition with better results.

And yet for me DuckDuckGo provides better results, consistently, for last few years. If “internet has gotten much worse” is true (I agree in many aspects it did) then DDG must be improving search at faster pace than Google.
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