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The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Post by jitl »

account-5 wrote: post #2

Hopefully this is won and followed by similar for all other tech monopolies: Amazon, apple, meta, Microsoft, etc.

Google has 95% of search market, but none of the other examples have 95% of anything. What are Amazon, Apple, Microsoft’s monopolies? They all have substantial competitors across their various verticals.

Amazon: Walmart (goods), Netflix (media)

Microsoft: Apple (OS), Google, Amazon (enterprise compute)

Apple: Microsoft (O, services), Samsung (mobile), Google (mobile, services), Netflix (media)

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>Google has maintained this monopoly, the government alleges, not by making a better product, but by locking down everywhere that consumers might be able to find a different search engine option, and making sure they only see Google.

Google improves search every year. Internally they have data to back this up. Google doesn't lock down everywhere consumers can learn about a new browser. The most notable being the default search engine on Windows is Bing. I have also seen ads for other search engines and discussion about search engines on social media.It isn't like you say the word Bing on the internet and you get contacted by Google's lawyers with a C&D.

>To understand why this case makes sense, look no further than the experience of Neeva, a search engine whose quality was as high or higher than that of Google, but died a few months ago because it just couldn’t get access to customers.

Better technology does not necessarily mean that you will have the better business. There are other reasons that you can fail. The link about Neeva having better quality actually states the opposite: "Neeva ended up building a search engine they were proud of, a search engine that came close to beating Google both by Neeva’s internal metrics and in user studies."

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Post by prepend »

andsoitis wrote: post #6

> controlling much of our communications Google doesn't control my communication with others.

Google controls mine as search and gmail and chrome are major ways that I communicate with others. It’s difficult not to use them because my employer and many sites require chrome.

I’m not sure what the gmail market share is, but chrome and search are over 50% and they’ve used that market position to harm users (showing ads for their own products until you choose chrome) and harm competitors (showing their own ads above competitors).

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Post by p_j_w »

jitl wrote: post #3
account-5 wrote: post #2

Hopefully this is won and followed by similar for all other tech monopolies: Amazon, apple, meta, Microsoft, etc.

Google has 95% of search market, but none of the other examples have 95% of anything. What are Amazon, Apple, Microsoft’s monopolies? They all have substantial competitors across their various verticals. Amazon: Walmart (goods), Netflix (media) Microsoft: Apple (OS), Google, Amazon (enterprise compute) Apple: Microsoft (O, services), Samsung (mobile), Google (mobile, services), Netflix (media)

Microsoft has over 90% of the desktop OS and Office software markets. It’s impossible to come up with a reasonable definition of monopoly that doesn’t include them in those markets.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Post by prepend »

charcircuit wrote: post #5

>Google has maintained this monopoly, the government alleges, not by making a better product, but by locking down everywhere that consumers might be able to find a different search engine option, and making sure they only see Google. Google improves search every year. Internally they have data to back this up. Google doesn't lock down everywhere consumers can learn about a new browser. The most notable being the defa…

> Google improves search every year.

I don’t believe this based on my own search experience getting worse year over year. I believe they know how to improve it, but they choose to increase revenue instead.

Results seem to be less relevant to me and there are frequently more ad results than organic that display on the page.

I think they are able to do this because of lock in with users and vendors. If there was more competition, there wouldn’t be such bad results.

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