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Post by jacquesm »

albert_e wrote: post #233
yard2010 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick, someone tell chatgpt to write one!

Inspired by Ray Bradbury's "There Will Come Soft Rains" --------------- "Echoes of Diligence: The Endless Meetings of a Forgotten Era" ============================================================== In a distant and desolate corner of the world, long after the great corporations had fallen into obscurity and the relentless march of time had claimed their legacy, there stood a lone and towering building. It was a monol…

I think it should be a project manager and do a stand-up meeting, Agile fashion...

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Post by efreak »

NavinF wrote: post #334
gumby wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you live? In the US at least, landline (AKA POTS) is still the gold standard for audio quality.

In the US I don't know a single person that has access to POTS. Discord (with paid nitro) is the gold standard for quality and latency, followed by all the free VoIP apps

I live in the US, and I'm pretty sure everyone I know has a landline, though a good number of them are now digital/fiber/whatever. Some people I know still have multiple landlines, as it's cheaper than paying multiple cell bills if necessary. I know at least one person who used to have call forwarding set up to get calls on their cellphone, but with the current state of marketing calls they probably don't do that anymore.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by jacquesm »

falcor84 wrote: post #247
albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

This is actually something I've been thinking about a lot. Once we do have AGI, and it chooses to embark upon a large project, would it prefer to just do it all itself, or would it prefer to spawn independent agents to take responsibility for each part of the project, which would then need to periodically meet to coordinate? If the latter, I do expect something not too dissimilar from current office meetings. But if…

> Once we do have AGI

That's not a foregone conclusion just yet.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by barbazoo »

ebiester wrote: post #254
barbazoo wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point though why not just collect questions beforehand, record the whole thing and let people watch it on their own time. At that scale there'll be no interactivity during the meeting anyway.

You'd be surprised how much chat happens as a side channel. Further, collecting questions means that the presentation material would have to be out there first, and that misses the point of the town halls, where financials and other initiatives are often first presented to the larger organization.

Out town halls usually ask for questions beforehand and that works quite well.

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Post by edmundsauto »

andsoitis wrote: post #274
albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

In this brave new world, who would have a sense of ownership and accountable for good decisions, outcomes?

It’d be a perfect system because the machines could pretend to be accountable, just like humans do. And us humans could stop pretending!

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

CreRecombinase wrote: post #222
version_five wrote: post #47

To be fair, there's no way Microsoft isn't doing something worse with data from Teams. And the only reason google "products" exist is to mine data to sell ads. I can see how we'd expect better from a company focused on video chat, but it's not like any of their big competitors are actually treating your data respectfully.

That’s absolutely not true about Microsoft. They’re very clear about how they use your data. If they’re mining data in secret against their own terms that’s felonious criminal behavior.

I remember when their server visited urls people posted in skype conversations. That was creepy as well.

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Post by neodypsis »

neltnerb wrote: post #292
jxf wrote: post #36

edit: I'm retracting my earlier comment. Earlier I wrote that the headline didn't seem to match what was in the TOS, since OP never mentioned which part they're concerned about. I'm now assuming the part they don't like is §10.4(ii): > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights…

Yeah, I saw some people posting screenshots of 10.2 and was thinking maybe it was just exaggeration for clicks, but 10.4 is horrifying. Customer Content as defined in 10.1: "10.1 Customer Content. You or your End Users may provide, upload, or originate data, content, files, documents, or other materials (collectively, “Customer Input”) in accessing or using the Services or Software, and Zoom may provide, create, or m…

Yikes, and to think some schools force people to use Zoom...

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Post by I_am_tiberius »

I just recently got a response from chatGPT that made me speechless. I have a very specific function in my code, with a very specific name. Just some days ago I asked it to produce a function with similar functionality. It used that function's name. I couldn't believe it. I even have disabled chat history & training so I'm not sure if that was an incredibly big coincidence or they really re-used my data.

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Post by j45 »

JimtheCoder wrote: post #261
j45 wrote: post #202

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'every' is pretty bold. the group that is in trouble is those who bs lots, GPT Today can bs much better.

But what about a BSer that is working in conjunction with ChatGPT? That is BS^2, and that is hard to beat...

Haha. Assuming they have the attention span to learn to prompt better than taking shortcuts to begin with.
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