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Post by LinuxBender »

ant6n wrote: post #288
LinuxBender wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity based on recent discussions and debates about AI and copyright, would it be considered storing if AI processes the information first and then stores the derivative works?

Like some sort of real time training, then throwing away the inout?

Maybe? I don't know what is actually feasible at scale in this theoretical scenario. If these things were being performed at the behest of the intelligence community then costs could be offset by generic named grants.

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Post by NavinF »

gumby wrote: post #189
realusername wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skype became really really terrible, it looks like it's been unmaintained during the past 10 years, I'd rate its usability worse than most open-source software. The sound quality is also awful, it feels like I'm calling a landline.

Where do you live? In the US at least, landline (AKA POTS) is still the gold standard for audio quality.

In the US I don't know a single person that has access to POTS. Discord (with paid nitro) is the gold standard for quality and latency, followed by all the free VoIP apps

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Post by catlifeonmars »

grogenaut wrote: post #321

While I dislike the tos change and don't use zoom u understand why there doing it. How else can they train a closed caption system like everyone else has? They need data for it. Transcripts are becoming a killer feature for me for meetings. I can understand why my dad couldn't type now, he had a secretary to transcribe everything. It's super efficient. I just pull jr devs or product into a meeting now turn on transcr…

> How else can they train a closed caption system like everyone else has? They need data for it.

This is where zero knowledge federated learning comes in. Unfortunately, this is very much a tomorrow technology (it needs the infrastructure to support it). Why invest in privacy-preserving methods for training machine learning models tomorrow when you can steal users private information today (or even better, bully them into doing so by being the defacto VC that everyone needs to use because of network effects).

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Post by geysersam »

smt88 wrote: post #25
asplake wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before that: > Customer Content does not include any telemetry data, product usage data, diagnostic data, and similar content or data that Zoom collects or generates in connection with your or your End Users’ use of the Services or Software (“Service Generated Data”). I could be wrong, but my take is that there is not all that much to see here

Zoom is giving itself the right to collect video and audio of you that could be used today to deepfake your voice in a convincing way. It won't be long before the video deepfakes are convincing too. This is absolutely awful and terrifying.

> does not include ... product usage data, diagnostic data, and similar content or data that Zoom collects or generates in connection with your ... use of the Services

Did you not read the quote? Or are you telling me this still might include video and audio data? I feel like an medieval illiterate farmer reading latin...

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Post by xbruteforce »

boredumb wrote: post #49
_ddzr wrote: post #11

Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!

I started using matrix internally (with element as a client) which uses jitsi under the hood for video/voice chat. Quality is amazing.

We've been using self-hosted matrix for the past 3 years with our jitsi instance and I tend to agree with you.

It's reliable and privacy preserving.

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Post by yosito »

imiric wrote: post #326

This is very much like the Black Mirror episode Joan Is Awful. By using modern services we consent to our data, including our likeness, being used in any way the service can extract value from it. User data is such a gold mine that most services should be paying their users instead. Even giving the service away for "free" doesn't come close to making this a fair exchange. Not to sound pessimistic, but we are already…

Balaji talks a lot about the state losing power in the future, but I don't think this is how he was envisioning it.

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Post by Pixie_Dust »

“You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works, and process Customer Content and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content:

(i) as may be necessary for Zoom to provide the Services to you, including to support the Services;

(ii) for the purpose of product and service development, marketing, analytics, quality assurance, machine learning, artificial intelligence ..

.. If you have any Proprietary Rights in or to Service Generated Data or Aggregated Anonymous Data, you hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights ..”

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Post by bitcharmer »

ebiester wrote: post #60
_ddzr wrote: post #11

Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!

How does Jitsi handle 500-person+ conference calls these days? This is the killer zoom feature - it looks like Jitsi can handle up to 500 now. https://jaas.8x8.vc/#/comparison . That's personally not enough for many remote companies. So if we're going to have to have Zoom on our machines anyway (to handle an all-company meeting), why not just use it for the rest?

Come on, 500+ calls are a very niche use case. With plenty of alternatives at that
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