Between this and their decision to enforce a return-to-office policy, I think it's safe to say that Zoom is making some questionable executive decisions. No company in their right mind is going to be okay with having their business meetings recorded and loaded into an AI model.
Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
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#162Given how many large companies outright ban using AI for codegen etc (including Google!), will this cause some of those large companies to find alternatives to Zoom, or is it just too ingrained? (I remember when WebEx was the default choice for large companies, and now that's largely changed, but that was because Cisco allowed WebEx to mostly wither on the vine, while Zoom is still a great product , if not company.)…
we dont need a zoom video chat to get things done.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.
The dystopian part would be, some human brains are still kept alive and are wired in matrix like. The Eternal Meeting.
Sounds like awesome Futurama or Black Mirror episode.
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#164edit: I'm retracting my earlier comment. Earlier I wrote that the headline didn't seem to match what was in the TOS, since OP never mentioned which part they're concerned about. I'm now assuming the part they don't like is §10.4(ii): > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights…
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#165At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…
As long as the paychecks aren't hallucinations I'm good with it.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are 500-person conference calls actually productive? Surely the number of speakers in any such meeting will be a small percentage of listeners?
It's useful. It's more of a large-scale broadcast situation. Think of large corporate town halls, town council meetings, etc.
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#167Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#168Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!
Out of all those, Jitsi is the only one where I can't rely on the core functionality - video calls and screensharing for small meetings (5-6 people); I have had multiple cases when we've had to switch to something else because the video/audio quality simply wasn't sufficient, but a different tool worked just fine for the same people/computers/network.
Like, I fully understand the benefits of having a solution that's self-hosted and controlled, so we do keep using self-hosted Jitsi in some cases for all these reasons, but for whatever reason the core functionality performs significantly worse than the competitors. Like, I hate MS Teams due to all kinds of flaws it has, but when I am on a Teams meeting with many others, at least I don't have to worry if they will be able to hear me and see the data I'm showing.
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#169I am curious if they have been silently saving voice to text transcription in the background on all calls and if AI will be permitted to ingest all of that data. A great deal could be learned from private one on one calls in the corporate world. The insider knowledge one could gain about corporations and governments would be fascinating.
I feel as if 2023 could become the inflection point where we will finally start investing in our own infrastructure again. Video calls for example are really a commodity service to be set up at this point.
I guess it also helps that these days most people are working with phones or laptops that have integrated and well supported cameras and microphones, vs. then when that stuff would have been external peripherals and required installation of the proper drivers.
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#170At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…
But seriously, it gets awkward when you can ask the model, "what is the likelihood that this project we are discussing is successful?" and the model responds "this project will most likely be cancelled due to the fact that the last three initiatives like this were cancelled and the current project manager appears to be disinterested earlier in the project than last time"