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Who decides what should be censored?
if a restaurant removes people if they stand on their tables and scream weird shit at the other diners, is this "censoring"? if hackernews removes child porn or spam, is this "censoring"? if a music venue, who has spent years building a reputation as an amazing place to see goth bands or metal bands or hyperpop bands, is it "censorship" if they don't book a country band? if your email provider removes spam, are they…
Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
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Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
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It seems to primarily cater to a German speaking audience. That's probably why it isn't more well known. I'd never heard of it either.
I'm German and I've known of it 10 years ago ... and 10 years ago it looked like a site from 20 years ago. I didn't know it still existed either.
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>Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected? Not GP, but the short answer is 'yes'. Because it is a slippery slope. I'm not in the EU and I can still reach rt…
The trouble is that at scale, in a world where people's attention spans are already stretched to the breaking point and any kind of bullshit can be amplified to tens or hundreds of millions of eyeballs in minutes, the bullshit asymmetry principle comes into play. I don't know what the answer is, because it's a genuinely new environment for the human brain.
I don’t know either, but I know it shouldn’t be censorship
Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
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> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…
Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected?
Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
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Why would to want my applications to use what my operating system does? I control both, but typically I have more control over the OS, and importantly it’s a single location to configure.
You always have more control over the browser than the OS. Every major browser already does this with DoH support.
I have multiple applications that resolve DNS, I want to configure their resolver in a single location. Maybe I want to run systemd-resolved, maybe I want to run dnsmasq, maybe I want to point to a central dns server on my network
I don’t want my browser independently ignoring my piguard, or ignoring my local dns entries.
Nor do I want to have to configure my browser separately from the majority of my software which obeys my instructions, life is too short.
DNS is a system level resource. I configure it with dhcp, giving me a single location to configure no matter told it’s my phone, desktop, laptop, other laptop, or any other device. All block certain sites for various reasons.
It is my softwares responsibility to listen to my instructions. Sadly it seems more common for browsers to ignore my instructions. Unsurprising when the most common browser is run by an ad company.
Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
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I think you cut to the core of it: genocide. Governments are entrusted with great power. Enough power to decide an entire class of people no longer deserve to live. Without checks and balances that hold the people we put in government accountable, that power will be abused. “It should be easy to handle some censorship” is where your point went off the rails. When you trust your government with the power to control th…
You are talking about hypotethicals and I'm talking about reality of today. If you let actual real innocent people die for your principles - you are not virtuous, the future you build and try to protect is not virtuous. It doesn't matter how correct your principles are.
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It is banned by Ziggo in the Netherlands. When I open it incognito I am redirected to a Ziggo.nl page saying: Deze website is geblokkeerd Europese sancties De Raad van Europa heeft besloten dat de websites van RT (voorheen Russia Today) en Sputnik News niet meer mogen worden doorgegeven. De website die je probeert te bezoeken, valt onder deze Europese sanctie. Vodafone Ziggo is verplicht de sanctie uit te voeren en h…
I'm connected through Ziggo so this surprises me. It's working for me without any problems.
My DNS resolvers are:
2001:730:3e42:1000::53
2001:b88:1002::10
2001:b88:1202::10
84.116.46.23
84.116.46.22Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
#128I don’t know this case or the site, I’m only commenting on this because, shouldn’t we be very concerned that anything can be silenced, globally, online? Where does it stop if we do it? Who gets the say? Who watches them? You see what I’m getting at? Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing s…
"We need to wake up" Maybe stop relying on third party DNS 24/7. Most web users visit the same sites over and over, at a frequency of several times per month or even per week. Few of these sites are changing their IP addresses with the same frequency. Some (most, based on personal experience) will go years without a change in address. Yet people keep looking up the addresses every single day if not more frequently. G…
Aside from that, this isn’t about relying on other systems. That’s literally the Internet. It’s distributed. It’s open. That’s why it runs on 13 root dns servers. This is about large players who control and manipulate vast amounts of users and traffic, forming a cartel to push their business interests in the name of more profits. Remember when ISPs wanted to strong arm Netflix for more money or cripple their bandwidth, effectively making their service so slow nobody would buy it? The tubes of the internet should be that, dumb, open, tubes. Anything else is no long an open internet. I fear we’re well past that now.
Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
if a restaurant removes people if they stand on their tables and scream weird shit at the other diners, is this "censoring"? if hackernews removes child porn or spam, is this "censoring"? if a music venue, who has spent years building a reputation as an amazing place to see goth bands or metal bands or hyperpop bands, is it "censorship" if they don't book a country band? if your email provider removes spam, are they…
The false equivalence you're trying to establish between censoring child porn (illegal for very good reasons we hopefully all agree on), spam (something you opt-into and can opt out of at any time), and the censorship of individuals' free speech which happens to contain "bad" opinions is nothing short of remarkable.
im not drawing a false equivalence to anything. the article in which this entire comment section is linked surrounds piracy--which for better or worse is illegal, just like child porn. It is entirely and thoroughly relevant to discuss censoring illegal attributes *and* non-illegal attributes such as:
> spam (something you opt-into and can opt out of at any time)
and it is absolute non-sensical to argue that spam is something we opt into. if it were opted into, then by definition it isn't spam. and to even imply that people can opt-out of actual spam is wild. go ahead, set up your own email server, don't "censor" any spam, and attempt to opt-out. let us know how this goes--as someone who has administered many organization's email servers, i can confidently assure you that it will absolutely not go well and you will of course not be able to simply opt-out of it. you *will* censor it. remember, spam isn't illegal, but pretty much every organization in the world will "censor" spam. any crying about censorship which doesn't consider the question "why is it ok to block spam?" immediately shows how unserious and unnuanced the discussion will be--a literal waste of time.
if you can't distinguish between the organizations i listed (restaurants, bars, forums, etc...) curating their audience and some version of wholesale "individuals free speech" then obviously the nuance needed to talk about this in any meaningful manner doesn't exist.
if you are able to distinguish the nuances between those, then i absolutely welcome the discussion.
again, the "who decides" pearl-clutching boils down to the organization and the audience they're curating.
in terms of governments suppressing free-speech, i usually (but not always) agree with most arguments that the government should typically not be prosecuting for speech. sadly, im not shocked with how many of the free-speech internet screamers have suddenly gone quiet now that multiple actual state backed attacks on free-speech are happening across the country. from book bans in libraries, to book bans in schools, to silencing teachers, to drag shows. there have now been 100s (if not 1000s) of these instances and all of those pearl clutchers are now silent. their silence is wildly predictable tho, /shrug
again, there's no false-equivalence as the topic has been so muddied by disingenuous bad-faith actors for so long that many people can't even begin to distinguish between a government suppressing free-speech, websites or places curating an audience experience, and also freedom of association. most of the people crying about censorship don't even understand why the conversation must have at least those as a starting point or its not worth having.
Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order
#130I don’t know this case or the site, I’m only commenting on this because, shouldn’t we be very concerned that anything can be silenced, globally, online? Where does it stop if we do it? Who gets the say? Who watches them? You see what I’m getting at? Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing s…
"We need to wake up" Maybe stop relying on third party DNS 24/7. Most web users visit the same sites over and over, at a frequency of several times per month or even per week. Few of these sites are changing their IP addresses with the same frequency. Some (most, based on personal experience) will go years without a change in address. Yet people keep looking up the addresses every single day if not more frequently. G…