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Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by orangepurple »

sgift wrote: post #28
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Do you mean rt.com? I just accessed that cesspool and Germany is part of the EU, so .. nope. Not banned.

Banned in NL it gives an HTHS error NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID the certificate common name in the attack is advice.upc.biz

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by cute_boi »

alpaca128 wrote: post #11
codetrotter wrote: post #4

This is feels like the Barbara Streisand Effect in action. I had never heard about this Canna Power piracy website before. Probably a lot of other people haven’t either. But now, when Sony and their friends made this DNS block happen, media coverage has made more of us hear about the Canna Power piracy website.

I heard of it ages ago, but it was a terrible experience (constantly opened new browser windows with ads etc) compared to torrents and by the time I actually got interested in music the industry had come up with convenient legal means to buy it. Didn't know that site is still alive though.

ublock origin fixes all

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

#43

Post by folmar »

jorams wrote: post #32
brightlancer wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube serves the audio and video separately; yt-dlp (the successor to youtube-dl) can download only the audio part, so there isn't any extraction necessary. Honestly, I don't understand "piracy" much anymore -- almost everything folks want is legally available on a streaming service for cheap or no-charge. If something has been censored or banned (or the owner refuses to sell it anymore), then that's a different st…

> I don't understand "piracy" much anymore For music I agree for the most part. Tons of music is both available on streaming services, and for sale as a DRM-free download. The rest of the entertainment industry hasn't figured that last part out yet, unfortunately.

"Piracy" is still a thing for classical music - if you look for a specific performance of a piece you'd often find that it is not only not available online, but also permanently out of stock in physical formats since 1998.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by r3trohack3r »

somethingreen wrote: post #34
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

I used to be a free speech absolutist, but now I believe phylosophical principles exist in service of humanity, not the other way around. If you consider that the goal of russian propaganda is to help Russia succeed in genocide of a 40 million nation, I think it should be fairly easy to handle some censorship, at least until genocide is stopped.

I think you cut to the core of it: genocide.

Governments are entrusted with great power. Enough power to decide an entire class of people no longer deserve to live. Without checks and balances that hold the people we put in government accountable, that power will be abused.

“It should be easy to handle some censorship” is where your point went off the rails.

When you trust your government with the power to control the flow of information, you trust them with the power to hide their own actions from you - including genocide. You trust them to censor people who vocally oppose an unjust war. You trust them to censor people who report on broken checks and balances. You trust them to censor people who question their accumulation of power.

History doesn’t care if you meant well. Our descendants who inherit these political systems won’t care if you meant well. They’ll remember the results of the system you build.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by thejazzman »

mdekkers wrote: post #27
ransackdev wrote: post #23

I don’t know this case or the site, I’m only commenting on this because, shouldn’t we be very concerned that anything can be silenced, globally, online? Where does it stop if we do it? Who gets the say? Who watches them? You see what I’m getting at? Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing s…

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected?

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

#46

Post by vlabakje90 »

orangepurple wrote: post #41
sgift wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean rt.com? I just accessed that cesspool and Germany is part of the EU, so .. nope. Not banned.

Banned in NL it gives an HTHS error NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID the certificate common name in the attack is advice.upc.biz

It's not banned in NL, I can access it just fine.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

ransackdev wrote: post #23

I don’t know this case or the site, I’m only commenting on this because, shouldn’t we be very concerned that anything can be silenced, globally, online? Where does it stop if we do it? Who gets the say? Who watches them? You see what I’m getting at? Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing s…

Copyright infringement is not protected speech. Google is free to provide or not provide results however they see fit.

To me- freedom of speech is the right of citizens to criticize the government without reprisal.

This does not mean that adversaries have the right to flood our airwaves with propaganda, lies, and other bullshit under the guise of protected speech.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by matrix_overload »

thejazzman wrote: post #45
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected?

The idea is that people should have the skill of critically assessing the information they see, not trusting it by default, and knowing how to verify it. Like, check for conflicts of interest, historical precedents, correlate independent sources, etc.

This skill only develops if people have to deal with lies on a daily basis. If we delegate the function of telling what's a truth and what's a lie to a 3rd party, it quickly starts abusing it for its own gain and the quality of life starts sliding downhill.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by orangepurple »

vlabakje90 wrote: post #46
orangepurple wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banned in NL it gives an HTHS error NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID the certificate common name in the attack is advice.upc.biz

It's not banned in NL, I can access it just fine.

It is banned by Ziggo in the Netherlands.

When I open it incognito I am redirected to a Ziggo.nl page saying:

Deze website is geblokkeerd

Europese sancties

De Raad van Europa heeft besloten dat de websites van RT (voorheen Russia Today) en Sputnik News niet meer mogen worden doorgegeven. De website die je probeert te bezoeken, valt onder deze Europese sanctie.

Vodafone

Ziggo is verplicht de sanctie uit te voeren en heeft de website geblokkeerd.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by boredpeter »

thejazzman wrote: post #45
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected?

No I think he’s saying the government should not get to decide which speech should and shouldn’t be allowed. For example in the US the government attempted and was somewhat successful in banning speech that favored communism which was in no way justified.

I think it’s a reasonable criticism of these types of policies given how governments of the past have misused their power of censorship.

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