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Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by xyzelement »

kaba0 wrote: post #128
xyzelement wrote: post #118

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// Honestly I'll ride it out but I do feel bad for people with kids. When I came to the US in the 90s, one of my teachers was freaking out about peak oil and about how people shouldn't have kids because that would exacerbate the problem and those kids would have a bad life. Joke's on him I guess. I suspect that at every single point of human history, someone was dismal about something and using it as a reason to not…

So based on a single datapoint you have concluded that an event can never happen? “It didn’t rain today, so it never will”.

No, I am saying that history is full of people saying "it's raining today, better not have kids so they don't die in the flood" and that has never been the right answer in retrospect.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by irrational »

kaba0 wrote: post #130
irrational wrote: post #99

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Yeah, but, I’m reading this and that won’t be an issue where I live. So it must be something else that will kill everyone reading this decades earlier.

What about a war for the place where you live? Surely, people currently in places that will become uninhabitable got to live in one of those places where they can, like yours.

There is tons of room to build new houses where I live. But the jobs are all somewhere else. When companies start moving up here and the people follow, then I will know things are getting serious.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by jfengel »

quags wrote: post #125
xyzelement wrote: post #118

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// Honestly I'll ride it out but I do feel bad for people with kids. When I came to the US in the 90s, one of my teachers was freaking out about peak oil and about how people shouldn't have kids because that would exacerbate the problem and those kids would have a bad life. Joke's on him I guess. I suspect that at every single point of human history, someone was dismal about something and using it as a reason to not…

As a 90s kid a remember peak oil. It was taught every where except in one class - economics. The teacher was adamant we would never run out of oil because as the supply dwindled the cost would go up and new oil or other forms of energy would be found. Makes perfect sense now but at the time this was not the norm. Economics ended up being my favorite class. Slightly related he also predicted the internet bubble collap…

"Someone will do something" isn't especially good economics. It's just wishful thinking.

Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. It's a bad idea to plan on it.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by AniseAbyss »

xyzelement wrote: post #118
WeylandYutani wrote: post #101

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It will happen just slow enough for people to get used to it and not panic. And then it will be the new normal. Humans can adapt to terrible situations. Honestly I'll ride it out but I do feel bad for people with kids.

// Honestly I'll ride it out but I do feel bad for people with kids. When I came to the US in the 90s, one of my teachers was freaking out about peak oil and about how people shouldn't have kids because that would exacerbate the problem and those kids would have a bad life. Joke's on him I guess. I suspect that at every single point of human history, someone was dismal about something and using it as a reason to not…

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Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by Aeolun »

jb12 wrote: post #31
revscat wrote: post #26

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The lifespan of everyone reading this has decreased by several decades.

That's not true at all and not what anthropocene climate change implies.

We’ll make solar powered cities that migrate to the temperate parts of the earth?

I’m sure I’ve seen that in some book.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by Aeolun »

prepend wrote: post #84
revscat wrote: post #54

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Starvation and war. And hubris, of course. Same as every other time human civilizations have collapsed.

Has there ever been a global civilization collapse? We seem a bit unprecedented. I think that 50 years from now the global average life expectancy will be greater than now. Certainly not decades less than today’s average. Perfectly happy to wager money through augur or some other wonky long bet system as this seems like a total easy win.

> this seems like a total easy win.

Of course that’s an easy win. Nobody will come to collect if they win.

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by Xorakios »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #107
WeylandYutani wrote: post #101

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It will happen just slow enough for people to get used to it and not panic. And then it will be the new normal. Humans can adapt to terrible situations. Honestly I'll ride it out but I do feel bad for people with kids.

You can't possibly be from the Southwestern US. We're used to particularly brutal summers here, but this year has just been insane, unlike anything I've ever experienced (and, of course, we've had many "record breaking years" over the past 10-20 years). I already have plans to move north. Phoenix has been one of the fastest growing cities in the US - I definitely believe a lot of people are going to think twice about…

Next year will be worse, but after that should be much cooler.

The 90 year "Moctezuma" cycle (think dust bowl 1930's - much warmer than this year, 1840's, 1750's and conquistador records from 1660's) is combined with a peak 11 year solar cycle and an el nino, will subside.

overall warming will still increase, so 2110's will be brutal, but late 2020's should be awesome -- cooler summers and warmer winters, longer growing seasons, more snow, rain, skiing, cheaper food etc.

:)

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by Xorakios »

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #55
retrac wrote: post #2

The current sea temperature anomaly is extreme. You can see it plotted since 1980 here: https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/ The dark black line that diverges in March is this year to date.

Can anyone find a sea temp plot before 1980? NASA likes to pull tricks such as start acreage burn around that time because it was a local minimum.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...

Take a few grains of salt. Even 1980 was long before we had great satellite data so a lot is inferred from tidal measurements in European cities

Re: Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief

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Post by Xorakios »

klyrs wrote: post #64
revscat wrote: post #26

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The lifespan of everyone reading this has decreased by several decades.

There are boomers here who will only die a few years early.

Hopefully you are joking and not intentionally committing a hate crime by using the "b**er" word to disparage against the chronologically challenged
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