If aliens are here, on this planet... what do you think they are doing here?
Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites
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Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites
#622If anyone is interested in seeing rigorously analyzed video material, I recommend the YouTube channel of Mick West[1]. He is an experienced programmer that has written a software to combine available data into a 3D space. This makes it possible to recreate situations and validate/invalidate hypotheses by stepping through time and looking from different camera angles. He also analyzed the famous gimbal and flir videos…
The way you describe it it seems like Mick West is the quintessential HN poster; thinks his success as a software engineer makes him a supreme expert on other fields.
You are reading things into my comment I didn’t say. I said his programming capability allowed him to create a tool that lets anyone combine data into 3D space which makes it possible to verify hypotheses. Where others in the UFO community wave their hands and make bold claims about something supernatural, West checks if the observed phenomena can be explained in reality-based physical ways. Anyone can check the work he and many others did jointly. The data and simulations are free to download and assess. This process is much closer to science than anything I have seen from others in the UFO community.
If anything, your comment makes the impression of the quintessential HN poster that claims to know better / dismiss others without having checked the linked sources.
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#623Earlier quoted context omitted.
The recent videos from the family in Nevada who had aliens in their back yard were pretty compelling ..
Was there an actual video? I saw the meteor flash caught on a doorbell camera and a Blender animation people were trying to pass off as footage.
There was a pretty good set of videos of the family going into the yard, with some shadowy figures in the background, sitting in the tractor, etc. I particularly liked the analysis of the footage which shows what appears to be an alien hiding behind the fence as the family entered, and disappearing in an alien cloaking shield ..
I want to believe!
Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites
#624If aliens are here, on this planet... what do you think they are doing here?
farming
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#625Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What can the average person do with program names, people involved and locations? What the average person can do with this information is not the point as far as I can tell. This information is being shared with people who are not the average person, and who do have the ability to investigate further.
Watch it definitely not be investigated further and if it does, find nothing
You are so wrong. This thing is picking up major steam. https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sch...
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#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure if you're missing something. Are you referring to the whole thing, the area I thought was interesting, or..? This isn't a very easy reply to parse.
Just the 15 minutes. He kept evading the questions, and the only "interesting" thing he said was pure science-fiction speculation. For example, his description of the holographic principle is what you'd get if you asked a high school student to make up a cool sounding story based on the phrase alone. It reminded me of a scene from Neon Genesis Evangelion, where one of the Angels "projects" a 3D shadow. To put it mild…
That's exactly what I thought was interesting/weird! What a bizarre and almost nonsensical thing to get into in a congressional hearing... guy doesn't even have a PhD in physics, nor has he ever worked as a physicist let alone an astrophysicist, isn't a subject matter expert but decides to go into a conversation about holotheory of all things.
Super weird, but imo pretty interesting to see.
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#627Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. These are not "good" answers to the Fermi paradox, and definitely not the only answers. Much better answers (in my opinion) are things like: their signals haven't reached us yet; they haven't developed interstellar communications or travel yet; they haven't developed intelligent l…
The presumption among all of this skepticism is that the speed of light is the ultimate limitation. The problem with this stance for literally the past 20 years is that the Alcubierre drive, which has yet to be disproven in concept (despite requiring exotic matter and high amounts of energy) has been known about since the 90’s, and at least makes FTL travel, theoretically possible. This is why I am skeptical about mo…
The most obvious argument against the validity of the Alcubierre drive (besides the exotic matter and energy requirements, and spacetime not working that way as far as we know, all of which which are substantial issues despite your handwaving them away) is the Fermi Paradox.
If, as you seem to be confidently asserting, the Alcubierre drive is feasible, has been built, and is what aliens are using to visit Earth, then given that even low estimates of the number of habitable planets in our galaxy runs into the millions (and there are more than trillions of galaxies in our observable universe) we must assume FTL travel is relatively commonplace. Even if only one species built a warp drive, they should have been able to colonize the entire observable universe by now. If one species has figured it out, it stands to reason that many more would have.
So where is the evidence? The Alcubierre Drive as theorized would give off an easily detectable signature. Where are these signatures? They should be everywhere. If the aliens visiting Earth are using Alcubierre drives, they should be particularly noticeable. But, of course, there is no sign of the effect of FTL travel anywhere in the observable universe, and even on Earth, the best anyone can come up with is conjecture and blurry photos.
Also, your mention of "expert physicist responses to it" fails to take into account the amount of criticism of the premise by the scientific community. You write as if the Alcubierre drive is proven science accepted by consensus and only engineering prevents us from building one, but of course that isn't remotely the case. As far as actual science is concerned, the Alcubierre might as well run on unicorn farts.
You're literally just taking one thing that doesn't exist, and "proving it" with another thing that doesn't exist. An argument that weak really doesn't merit the confidence you're putting out here. "But muh Alcubierre Drive" is not the slam dunk you seem to think it is.
Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites
#628I wonder who here has ever read the work of Jacques Vallee? I recommend it very much. There are two implicit and rather rigid views that I think need to be carefully scrutinized in many of the comments on this site for UFO-related posts:
The first of these is that whatever is happening on earth must either be a whole lot of nothing truly abnormal, or a case of aliens from other star systems having visited our planet, under the partial disqualifier that this seems unlikely as hell unless they have FTL travel capabilities.
What if it's neither of those things? What if something else, not normal as we know normal things of nature to be, but also not classically extraterrestrial or for that matter an outright case of hoaxes and mistaken identity is happening?
That last question leads into the second very common rigid point that should be scrutinized: the assumption that aliens have to be extrasolar visitors to be present on Earth. Since we known nothing about alien life, or any super-intelligent life anywhere at all, we can only guess at anything about its nature.
Because of this I think it's a bad idea to not consider the possibility of something entirely different from classical interpretations of extraterrestrials interacting with us already, and possibly in ways so strange (because of its own truly alien strangeness in a general sense) that they seem absurd and instead get written off as myths or hoaxes across decades and centuries of human history and reported events.
Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites
#629Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. These are not "good" answers to the Fermi paradox, and definitely not the only answers. Much better answers (in my opinion) are things like: their signals haven't reached us yet; they haven't developed interstellar communications or travel yet; they haven't developed intelligent l…
The presumption among all of this skepticism is that the speed of light is the ultimate limitation. The problem with this stance for literally the past 20 years is that the Alcubierre drive, which has yet to be disproven in concept (despite requiring exotic matter and high amounts of energy) has been known about since the 90’s, and at least makes FTL travel, theoretically possible. This is why I am skeptical about mo…
First of all, the Alcubierre drive only works if several things that have never been confirmed to exist do in fact exist. Secondly, even if it turns out that exotic matter and such exist somewhere in the universe, the Alcubierre drive only works in their presence. So, it can't be used to travel FTL to a place where they don't exist, such as the Earth.
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#630Earlier quoted context omitted.
The universe is thought to be about 13.8 billion years old. The Earth is about 4.6 billion years old. I don't think humanity has even been around for 500k years.
Yep so life on earth evolved about as early as reasonably possible.
Easy to claim when your sample size is 1/1.
Hard to know for sure.