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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by DougN7 »

kelipso wrote: post #528
kahnclusions wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. These are not "good" answers to the Fermi paradox, and definitely not the only answers. Much better answers (in my opinion) are things like: their signals haven't reached us yet; they haven't developed interstellar communications or travel yet; they haven't developed intelligent l…

> I would think an alien spacecraft carrying the energy and resources needed for interstellar travel (including the return trip) would be pretty obvious and detectable even by amateur astronomers. I don't think this is true. If an alien ship landed on the moon, we won't know about it. No equipment or resources put in to monitor something like that. Much less all the other planets, moons, and asteroids in the solar sy…

Even if we couldn’t detect them, with tech as advanced as they would have to have, are they going to be crashing on our planet so often that we need a full on program for collecting them? If it happened once, maybe. Multiple times with that level of tech? No way.

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Post by alephnerd »

likeabbas wrote: post #232
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #163

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>putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line They aren't because there is literally no new data, none. This isn't like Manning etc... where there was a materiel leak of classified data. So what would they be charged/fired for? Nothing. It's so much lazier, the claim is that being prevented access is somehow a proof of a coverup. All of the claims of harm were long before any of the publicity he…

> They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. Dave Fravor was second in command of the USS Nimitz and is recognized as one of the top fighter pilots to come out of Top Gun.

GS15 is not that impressive. Don't get me wrong - it's a good rank and the pay is decent by DMV standards, but like there are thousands of people with GS15 ranks. Now if he was an SES level that might be more intriguing...

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Post by thefurdrake »

DougN7 wrote: post #571
kelipso wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would think an alien spacecraft carrying the energy and resources needed for interstellar travel (including the return trip) would be pretty obvious and detectable even by amateur astronomers. I don't think this is true. If an alien ship landed on the moon, we won't know about it. No equipment or resources put in to monitor something like that. Much less all the other planets, moons, and asteroids in the solar sy…

Even if we couldn’t detect them, with tech as advanced as they would have to have, are they going to be crashing on our planet so often that we need a full on program for collecting them? If it happened once, maybe. Multiple times with that level of tech? No way.

Maybe they've been in space so long that atmospheric flight is problematic for them? That seems unlikely, though.

My personal, unsupported belief, is that if there are aliens, Earth is like a nature preserve, and all the crashed ships are idiot tourists who, despite being told not to touch the buffalo, desperately want to touch the buffalo.

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Post by Fatnino »

kelipso wrote: post #528
kahnclusions wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. These are not "good" answers to the Fermi paradox, and definitely not the only answers. Much better answers (in my opinion) are things like: their signals haven't reached us yet; they haven't developed interstellar communications or travel yet; they haven't developed intelligent l…

> I would think an alien spacecraft carrying the energy and resources needed for interstellar travel (including the return trip) would be pretty obvious and detectable even by amateur astronomers. I don't think this is true. If an alien ship landed on the moon, we won't know about it. No equipment or resources put in to monitor something like that. Much less all the other planets, moons, and asteroids in the solar sy…

Any craft coming from outside our solar system and trying to stop inside it would leave a huge energy signature as it slows from some significant fraction of c.

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Post by thefurdrake »

andrewstuart wrote: post #382
lakomen wrote: post #333

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And you know this for a fact because?

Because aliens would not go to the unbelievable effort of traveling between the stars and then carefully hide from detection on a planet brimming with human activity, somehow knowing how to make themselves invisible, and yet still being here for some reason. The concept of "anonymous" alien visitation is self evidently silly. But also, the concept of traveling between the stars is also so unlikely as to be effectivel…

You seem pretty experienced in the hypothetical motivations of hypothetical creatures with the hypothetical technology to travel between stars!

Or are you just assuming that the hypothetical aliens have minds and motivations that would be comprehensible by humans?

Hell, I bet you if I sat down I could come up with at least 10 motivations that might make sense for humans to do the same stealth thing in an inverted situation. I feel like you're not engaging in good faith.

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Post by omniglottal »

Shawnj2 wrote: post #552
MrYellowP wrote: post #475

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> and also Aliens can at most go close to lightspeed. You're an expert in alien technology and civilizations far more technologically advanced than we are?

Not being able to move faster than c is a pretty hard limit on everything in the universe. Unless our model of physics, the same one that predicted gravitational waves, black holes, time dilation, gravitational lending, etc. correctly is so fundamentally wrong that FTL travel is possible without things that probably don’t exist like negative mass aliens would need to spend at least decades to get to and from Earth. F…

Theoretically, repositioning one's coordinates in 3 dimensions over a limited span in a fourth dimension (time) is limited by c. Same goes for repositioning the 4-dimensional coordinates for the apparent quantom waveform collapse into physical manifestation of any distinct "object". Assuming that alien physics only applies to these 4 dimensions, unmodified, is pure hubris. Multiple theories accommodate space travel by adjusting coefficients other than velocity. A "warp bubble" or "wormhole", for example, theorize the ability to cover large distances faster than light moves through vacuum over that same distance by, instead, changing the distance between interstellar objects, or changing the effective space-time properties of the craft, itself, in it's localized spacetime becoming non-equivalent to that "light through a vacuum" course. Even quantum entanglement describes spooky action at a distance which you might assume impossible if you assume c limits this superposition in space-time. This c limit obviously does not apply to "everything" in the universe. It's fundamentally wrong to assume that interstellar travel requires any velocity whatsoever.

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Post by gs17 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #524
Flatcircle wrote: post #511

Please. If aliens were on earth there’d be lots of quality video and photos from people’s cellphones. Too many people with too many cellphones to not have any proof.

The recent videos from the family in Nevada who had aliens in their back yard were pretty compelling ..

Was there an actual video? I saw the meteor flash caught on a doorbell camera and a Blender animation people were trying to pass off as footage.

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Post by codezero »

srge wrote: post #132

Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

Consider that they may be being asked to do so as part of their job. Frequently in the past UFO hysteria was encouraged by the government to cover up their own advanced technology testing, or that of an adversary they are trying to catch up to. This could also be a limited hangout, wherein the material that would be released to the public could be an unknown to the public alloy but not enough to reveal the technology that's being worked on in secret by the government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

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Post by likeabbas »

blincoln wrote: post #569
likeabbas wrote: post #539

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He’s testified under oath to the ICIG who found his claims “urgent and credible” ( which are legal terms. Credible meaning he’s corroborated some claims, and urgent meaning the ICIG had to forward the claims to the intelligence committees in both chambers of congress. So with your idea, the ICIG is in on it too?

In the scenario I'm suggesting, if I understand you correctly, the ICIG talked to the same people that Grusch had. Those people said something to the effect of "yes, I have seen intelligence documents and other evidence that described alien spacecraft and biological material." I.e. Grusch and the people he talked to believe what they're saying because of documents intentionally made to appear legitimate. A well-desig…

You are 100% correct that this could be a giant psy-op constructed to convince people of something insane like aliens. From what I’ve heard, the ICIG has gotten testimony under oath from people purported to be apart of the reverse engineering programs, and they have provided locations and photo evidence. There’s also a report that one of these craft are [so large that it can’t be moved](0). Congress could send a special envoy to investigate this and find out right now if this is a ruse or not. Do you think they should?

[0] https://youtu.be/r-zjLas_WbM

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Post by likeabbas »

icedchai wrote: post #568
likeabbas wrote: post #537

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Average person can’t do anything. Congress can investigate and subpoena any and all people involved and force them to disclose what they know. They can also use eminent domain to take the purported technology.

Call me skeptical, but if this stuff exists, it's been moved to another location already. A congressman isn't going to show up to some base and be given access to the hanger with the UFO in it.

There’s a report that one of these craft are so large that it can’t be moved https://youtu.be/r-zjLas_WbM
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