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Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Post by tessierashpool »

cubefox wrote: post #91
fipar wrote: post #81

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That graph does not show cassettes were responsible for that, it just shows revenue numbers. There are other possible causes. As someone who lived through part of that (I’m from ‘78 but for a country that was lagging in media developments; we got CDs in the early 90s) I can say that cassettes were a lousy medium. I love them because I grew up with my Walkman and I loved the tape swapping scene (physically compiled an…

> That graph does not show cassettes were responsible for that, it just shows revenue numbers. There are other possible causes. You don't mention any of these possible causes though. > interpreted as people willing to buy music just fine provided it sounded good and kept sounding good Yes, CDs replaced cassettes and records. They had better audio quality and were nearly as small as cassettes. But cassettes weren't mu…

> That graph does not show cassettes were responsible for that, it just shows revenue numbers. There are other possible causes.

You don't mention any of these possible causes though.

what?

if you put forward a graph and someone else points out that the graph doesn't show what you say it shows, the person has identified that the graph is not relevant to the discussion.

they don't now have the job of explaining the graph. the graph is not relevant. it just leaves the conversation.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Post by DropInIn »

l72 wrote: post #383
DropInIn wrote: post #328

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Imo musicians need to make it a norm to release two 'correct' verions: The highly compressed versions for radio play/commoners And A 'hi-fi' version for audiophiles They need to be the same except for levels etc, and neither more official than the other If your song can't be enjoyed in both ways, then either your music is 'specialty' music catering to audiophiles and musicophiles (?) Or it's just garbage and shouldn'…

Why don’t we have an audio format that has different profiles with different mixes?

In a world of limitless storage that makes sense but for users who have music locally on thier phone not so much...

The actual use cases for each form undermine consolidation into one file.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Post by footlose_3815 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #209
footlose_3815 wrote: post #84

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What do you mean, the natural evolution of music wasn't meant to be face-tattooed, cough syrup-drinking suicide-flirting mumble rappers who all talk about the same shit?

Oh so you prefer the wealthy old white guys who were born with a silver spoon in hand pretending to be "down and dirty" rednecks who's woman left them, who's tractor won't start, and who does nothing but drink cold beer? Lyrics are dumb in popular music.

Personally i like bands with musical talent who don't brag about themselves in the music.

I know the bar is pretty high lately, especially with US music... /S

European progressive metal is really fucking awesome, and it really sets the standard for modern eclectic music.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Post by bazoom42 »

yCombLinks wrote: post #271
bazoom42 wrote: post #131

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> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

This is the most banal argument. It's never possible something is worse than it was before?

Note that a lot of people can agree that newer music is crap but wildly disagree about when the good music was made. Just in this thread you can see some claim good music was made until 1985, some say it was until the 90’s some say it was until the last decade. There is no consensus at all, which indicate it is not an objective change in quality.

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Post by yCombLinks »

bazoom42 wrote: post #394
yCombLinks wrote: post #271

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This is the most banal argument. It's never possible something is worse than it was before?

Note that a lot of people can agree that newer music is crap but wildly disagree about when the good music was made. Just in this thread you can see some claim good music was made until 1985, some say it was until the 90’s some say it was until the last decade. There is no consensus at all, which indicate it is not an objective change in quality.

100% agree it's not objective, but if you took a poll for which time period had better music 1965-1969 vs 1980-1985 you'd have a heavy vote for 65-69

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Post by bazoom42 »

LanceH wrote: post #236
bazoom42 wrote: post #131

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> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

Where are the ugly singers? Music is represented my a disproportionately high number of hot women (and less so men) with no room for others. There is obviously a standard other than musical quality in play. Today, it's mostly true that everything is available. The music that reaches the masses, though, is defined by production over musical quality. Would we even see or hear from Cass Elliot, Janis Joplin, or Patsy Cl…

Nothing new though - Elvis never wrote a song either, but he had the look.

Performative art is biased towards beauty and charismatic artists. Also true in opera since forever.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Post by iggldiggl »

wwalexander wrote: post #180
zirgs wrote: post #40

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What is not on streaming services? From my experience - if it's not on spotify then it's on youtube.

Bootlegs, DJ sets, leaks, and many, many albums that streaming services don’t/won’t/can’t license e.g. Switched-On Bach by Wendy Carlos.

And sometimes the record label manages to upload a live album with all the track transitions cut out (the pre-gap bits on the physical CDs – I'm still wondering whether they actually just ripped their own CDs for uploading and somehow mishandled the ripping software to drop the pre-gaps instead of combining them with one of the adjacent tracks?), despite that artist being pretty well-known and one of those albums being somewhat (in)famous for what happens precisely in-between the actual tracks.
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