People laugh at all of this but Napster really did kill the music industry. No really. It did. And whatever it didn’t kill, YouTube did. So. Haha. Stupid musicians and their stupid stuffed suit execs. Lol.
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Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette
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#32The content industry also waged war on computer media. It was supposed to be 100% forbidden to sell anything capable of doing anything without DRM. They were serious about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Broadband_and_Digital...
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#33"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…
> The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves It wasn't the record companies which ruined the music industry. It was us, the consumers. We ruined it with piracy. https://i.insider.com/4d5ea2acccd1d54e7c030000 We always like to imagine big organizations as the "baddies", and us as the "goodies". But the reality doesn't always follow this convenient narrative. Sometimes it turns out we w…
It looks way different if you include data of the last 14 years though (even inflation adjusted)
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#34The reality is that yes, cassettes really were responsible for a substantial downturn in music revenue in the late 70s and early 80s: https://i.insider.com/4d5ea2acccd1d54e7c030000 Then cassettes got replaced with CDs which (initially) were read only, which again saved the market from piracy ... until online piracy with Napster and MP3 players completely crushed the music market, but far worse than cassettes. Even 20…
CDs used to be crazy expensive. They cost much more than what was reasonable. Today I have access to untold thousands of records for €10 per month. That money (non inflation adjusted) would have bought me only a single record back in the day. One could argue that the current price of music is too low. But the price they tried to extract back then was completely unreasonable and I think those excesses contributed heav…
> But the price they tried to extract back then was completely unreasonable and I think those excesses contributed heavily to the current situation.
Yes that left incurable trauma. During late 90s to early 00s CD costed the same in Germany and in any post-communist country whose economies were in shambles. Something around 12 EUR which would be 18 EUR inflation adjusted now. I was wandering between shelves like a pariah and asking shop assistant like a beggar to insert the CD into the player so I could listen it in shop for few minutes. Music industry worked hard to make enemies for life.
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#35"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…
Quality may have tanked but profits soared. Music, movies and any other corporate product are meant to appeal to as many people as possible. Therefore they have to be average.
Corporate profits soared, but not the profits that get paid to artists.
Wholehearted support for the efforts by the WGA, SAG, and the related unions, to stop “big corporate media” fucking over everyone in the arts even if it won’t help the average Spotify streamer today or tomorrow, but perhaps eventually it will further into the future…
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#36"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…
> The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves It wasn't the record companies which ruined the music industry. It was us, the consumers. We ruined it with piracy. https://i.insider.com/4d5ea2acccd1d54e7c030000 We always like to imagine big organizations as the "baddies", and us as the "goodies". But the reality doesn't always follow this convenient narrative. Sometimes it turns out we w…
You are trying to collerate loss of revenue with the loss caused by piracy, without any data of loss caused by piracy.
Also, showing a graph without the last 10 years is making the data lying: https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database
The music industry earnings has never been that high than today.
Also, actual studies shows piracy helped sales, not hindered earnings: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy...
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tapes where great - if you mean audio tapes. Printers are crap even today.
Yeah, thankfully we don't need them that often anymore. That said, is there a convenient, compact printer for documents (greyscale is fine) for the just in case times? I think I've seen a compact bar shaped laser printer aimed at laptops, but I'm afraid of the toner cartridges being overpriced or hard to find.
It will probably still run with the same Windows driver written in late 90's in Win16 then patched and glued and slightly tilted to kinda work even today, kinda. Because here's where the real adventure happens, between buggy drivers and prehistoric spoolers.
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#38"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…
Do you already own all of the music you are going to listen to for your life? My own music tastes change over time. I don't listen to the same things I listened to 25 years ago - at least, not often. I want new music from time to time, especially if I'm walking places often. That's the thing with streaming. I'm OK with paying an amount that is less than a CD was 25 years ago just to have a bunch of music at my dispos…
I, personally, enjoy both.
I like having new music when walking, or as a background when working. For this, the Spotify playlists are great. I wouldn't want to have to sift through hundreds of records, through multiple stores, multiple times a year, then rip those, all to set up a playlist with tracks that I'll listen to maybe a few times. This is music I do enjoy listening, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't have any "deep value" or whatever to me. If it disappeared tomorrow, I really wouldn't care. The "issue for later me" would be to find an equivalent service of "disposable / background music", not to get my hands on the exact same tracks again.
But then, there are many albums, or even standalone tracks or custom playlists, which I would absolutely hate to lose. For those, I'm fine with going through the trouble of buying them and figuring long-term storage.
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#39"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…
Do you already own all of the music you are going to listen to for your life? My own music tastes change over time. I don't listen to the same things I listened to 25 years ago - at least, not often. I want new music from time to time, especially if I'm walking places often. That's the thing with streaming. I'm OK with paying an amount that is less than a CD was 25 years ago just to have a bunch of music at my dispos…
>Do you already own all of the music you are going to listen to for your life?
Statistically, yes!
This was covered on a recent episode of 'Search Engine' (rising from the ashes of 'Reply All'): https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/how-am-i-supposed-to-find-new-...
Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you already own all of the music you are going to listen to for your life? My own music tastes change over time. I don't listen to the same things I listened to 25 years ago - at least, not often. I want new music from time to time, especially if I'm walking places often. That's the thing with streaming. I'm OK with paying an amount that is less than a CD was 25 years ago just to have a bunch of music at my dispos…
> Is the service forever? Nope, probably not, but that's an issue for later me. I don’t want to fuck over later me, so I’m still buying music. Probably not saving money, but I also get some music not on streaming services.
What is not on streaming services? From my experience - if it's not on spotify then it's on youtube.