The amount of ignorance in this comment is baffling.
It may be ignorant or even insane, but this sort of thinking is also taken seriously in certain places, and even highly rewarded. William Nordhaus won the Nobel Prize for a model which predicts that if the planet warms by 6C - an extinction level event!! - GDP will only be reduced by 8.5%. Why? Because most high-value production happens indoors, where we have aircon. [1] [1] https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/sep/nobel-…
I didn't know we have large scale agriculture happening indoors. It's a relief knowing we won't lose our high value productivity due to starvation /s
Ok, so what's the actionable take here? Are people going to use this to try and push wealth redistribution and authoritarian controls which is about the only thing I've ever seen from "climate action" types? Or does this imply those wouldn't work anyway now? Is anyone or any government going to look at actual motivations to help live in a warmer place? And/or to pull carbon out of the air, or get more nuclear, or whatever else we need to keep living normally?
It's going to be hard to get people to care about this if the takeaway is going to be "other people have to do what we say" as it usually is with climate stuff.
This. The time for nature and us humans to adapt to these new circumstances is vastly shorter than in any earlier age of the planet. edit: bryanlarsen pointed out that there was an even more extreme event in earth's history.
That's not quite true. 252 million years ago we also had a very quick 8 degree Celsius rise in global temperature. It kicked off the largest mass extinction event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extin...
I don’t think that a mass extinction event is what people usually mean when they talk about nature adapting to the increase in temperature.
You must be aware that dismissing very-overtly-obvious climate claims out of hand makes you sound very dubious, right? Super "merchants-of-doubt"y. The only way to deliver this opinion in a non-suspect way would be something like: "I'm aware that all metrics show it's the hottest month on record, and everyone is experiencing that everywhere, but ". Like, it is obvious in the last fifty years. Your argument is "well m…
The climate always changes. Always has & always will. No political movement, economic paradigm, or technology will make the climate static. The geomagnetic field fluctuations, Sun, the solar system's current cosmological coordinates, cosmological effects are too big of a driver of the climate. Geologically speaking, we have just left a mini-ice age. Our efforts are better invested in adjusting to these inevitable cha…
You must be aware that dismissing very-overtly-obvious climate claims out of hand makes you sound very dubious, right? Super "merchants-of-doubt"y. The only way to deliver this opinion in a non-suspect way would be something like: "I'm aware that all metrics show it's the hottest month on record, and everyone is experiencing that everywhere, but ". Like, it is obvious in the last fifty years. Your argument is "well m…
The climate always changes. Always has & always will. No political movement, economic paradigm, or technology will make the climate static. The geomagnetic field fluctuations, Sun, the solar system's current cosmological coordinates, cosmological effects are too big of a driver of the climate. Geologically speaking, we have just left a mini-ice age. Our efforts are better invested in adjusting to these inevitable cha…
Yes but it is changing in very specific and problematic ways with well understood causes that are at least partly under our control. We do not understand it perfectly but we don’t need to.
You must be aware that dismissing very-overtly-obvious climate claims out of hand makes you sound very dubious, right? Super "merchants-of-doubt"y. The only way to deliver this opinion in a non-suspect way would be something like: "I'm aware that all metrics show it's the hottest month on record, and everyone is experiencing that everywhere, but ". Like, it is obvious in the last fifty years. Your argument is "well m…
The climate always changes. Always has & always will. No political movement, economic paradigm, or technology will make the climate static. The geomagnetic field fluctuations, Sun, the solar system's current cosmological coordinates, cosmological effects are too big of a driver of the climate. Geologically speaking, we have just left a mini-ice age. Our efforts are better invested in adjusting to these inevitable cha…
That can be 100% true, and humans can still be contributing to the current change? So not only would it be possible and desirable for us to stop contributing, but to try and influence the direction of change in a way that's more beneficial for more of us (which could be reforesting or olivine weathering or something crazy like solar shielding or sulfur dioxide cannons, depending on who you ask).
Scientists and researchers in this area work very hard to not just account for heat island effect, but also a myriad of other effects. https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3071/the-r...
“Scientists” aren’t a single unit. Some of them are responsible in their methodology, others get endless news coverage for their alarmism.
In this case, it's large groups of independent scientists all coming to the same conclusion on global average temperature.
energy efficiency makes the same amount of power, go further. Look into reducing outdoor lighting, wasteful uses of electricity, and improving efficiency for heavy applications, you might find more than enough savings to handle dire, life-and-death situations.
The low-hanging fruit have mostly been picked by now, regulating demand-side is not a solution and will lead only to immiseration and state overreach. Unless you are fine with only flushing your toilet on Wednesdays, this is not a desirable future overall.
I'm surprised to hear this on HN.
Making energy efficiency a priority concern often leads to overall better systems. Smaller, quieter, doing more with less and doing it better.
(Otherwise we'd all be posting on Presler Pentium D's.. dual Netburst all the way /s)