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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by alkibiades »

kcplate wrote: post #397
wildermuthn wrote: post #377

I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

How about the option that aliens exist but are not here nor are detectable yet because we are the first and most technologically advanced form of life to arise…yet.

if other life exists, the chances of us being first would be really low given the size and age of the universe

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Post by potsandpans »

srvmshr wrote: post #109
BobbyJo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations One is a potential flare/focal aberration. The other two have no such explanation, and one of the three has radar tracking, followed by pilot interaction (David Fravor), then was videod by a second pilot on encounter (the video that was released. Keep in mind also that all three are…

So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of…

> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity

After watching the hearing today, I was starting to suspect that we're party to this psyops campaign. It's one of the most outlandish things I've seen in recent memory.

All of the guys are credentialed and I didn't get the impression that anyone was grifting anything.

They definitely think it's real. I suspect something is real, but I get the impression that the real thing is not what they think it is.

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Post by pleb_nz »

h2odragon wrote: post #365
qingcharles wrote: post #343

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Well, have you ever tried navigating interstellar space? It's not exactly a walk in the park. Even for our sophisticated cephalopod friends, the Interstellar Squid, it's a bit of a pickle. Oh, and let's not forget about the Squid's notoriously poor sense of direction. They've probably been circling Saturn for the past decade thinking it's Jupiter. I wouldn't be surprised if they show up in a few millennia, asking for…

> have you ever tried navigating interstellar space? Technically, yes. With very little success, alas. Pesky gravity.

Tentacly yes?

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Post by asfarley »

BobbyJo wrote: post #105
srvmshr wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. We haven't seen a single clear evidence yet. The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations. True color image corresponding of the same event do not exist. No two accounts of unidentified activities are also same with inc…

> The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations One is a potential flare/focal aberration. The other two have no such explanation, and one of the three has radar tracking, followed by pilot interaction (David Fravor), then was videod by a second pilot on encounter (the video that was released. Keep in mind also that all three are…

There’s a pretty good chance the Nimitz incident was an intentional decoy self-test by the Navy IMO. Clouds give a radar return, so a projected plasma target would probably also give a radar return.

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Post by jareklupinski »

kromem wrote: post #430
wildermuthn wrote: post #377

I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

I don't get why no one ever throws out time travel as an explanation over extraterrestrial. Given the limit of the speed of information and the expansion of the universe, there's a VERY small area that would even be aware of the signals we've started sending out over the past century to come looking. But Earth would be an extremely interesting destination....for future Earth. Though personally the most likely answer…

yea, given the progress we've made in harnessing physics over the past few hundred years, extrapolating for the lifetime of our species, as long as we're around for long enough to figure out time travel...

we should be able to come back, which means we would already be doing so? as long as the preconditions remain true... either way we would probably have some sort of "butterfly effect/grandfather paradox" laws in place

that said, the value of future earth visiting past earth would likely be 'kitsch' at best :P

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

They claimed similarly spectacular things about about spiritual powers and psychics in the 60s and 70s, which turned out to be total bunk and most likely a funding scheme for the CIA.

If aliens are visiting us, why is the US the only nation to have any documentation? Are you telling me the collapse of communism, which caused everything from nuclear plans to biological weapon designs to leak, somehow left aliens untouched?

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Post by ChainOfFools »

alkibiades wrote: post #441
kcplate wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about the option that aliens exist but are not here nor are detectable yet because we are the first and most technologically advanced form of life to arise…yet.

if other life exists, the chances of us being first would be really low given the size and age of the universe

not sure I agree, the universe could go on to be hundreds of billions or trillions of years old, against which 13 (or maybe 26) billion years is really the same scale as the first humans venturing out of Africa just a few tens of millenia ago.

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Post by Terr_ »

qingcharles wrote: post #343
h2odragon wrote: post #335

For those asking "Why now?" ... here's a couple wild takes: The Interstellar Squid have arrived. They're hanging out around Saturn (cf "largest comet ever"). Even after a century of preparation and propaganda, there is a large fraction of humanity who refuses to conceive of intelligence other than human. This is the last gasp at preparing them. That, or the political corruption has gotten so rank that they're scrapin…

Well, have you ever tried navigating interstellar space? It's not exactly a walk in the park. Even for our sophisticated cephalopod friends, the Interstellar Squid, it's a bit of a pickle. Oh, and let's not forget about the Squid's notoriously poor sense of direction. They've probably been circling Saturn for the past decade thinking it's Jupiter. I wouldn't be surprised if they show up in a few millennia, asking for…

> It was a moonless night, which was good for the purposes of Solid Jackson.

> He fished for Curious Squid, so called because, as well as being squid, they were curious. That is to say, their curiosity was the curious thing about them.

> Shortly after they got curious about the lantern that Solid had hung over the stern of his boat, they started to become curious about the way in which various of their number suddenly vanished skywards with a splash.

> Some of them even became curious – very briefly curious – about the sharp barbed thing that was coming very quickly towards them.

> The Curious Squid were extremely curious. Unfortunately, they weren't very good at making connections.

-- Jingo by Terry Pratchett

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by pleb_nz »

cowboysauce wrote: post #411
edgyquant wrote: post #393

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Or it could be you’ve made a ridiculous assumption by comparing commercial airlines to UFOs in the first place.

I'm asking if alien craft are a safer method of transport than air liners. Alternatively, if we replaced air liners with these craft, would fewer people die? If they are safer then the sky should be flooded with them to result in 12 crashes so far. This doesn't seem to be the case so there must instead be a smaller number of more dangerous craft to result in 12 crashes. So either the sky is flooded with invisible ali…

Or maybe it's better to compare to personal modes of traffic and not airliners?

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Post by Timon3 »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #447
alkibiades wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if other life exists, the chances of us being first would be really low given the size and age of the universe

not sure I agree, the universe could go on to be hundreds of billions or trillions of years old, against which 13 (or maybe 26) billion years is really the same scale as the first humans venturing out of Africa just a few tens of millenia ago.

The universe potentially getting really old doesn't make it more likely for us to be the first. It is incredibly unlikely.
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