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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by cowboysauce »

edgyquant wrote: post #393
cowboysauce wrote: post #392

Commercial airlines apparently experience crashes at a rate of 6 per 100,000,000 flights. I wasn't able to find a figure from the testimony as to how many craft are claimed to have been recovered. The best I could find was an anonymous quote from a Vox article of 12+. Applying the commercial airline stat to 12 crashes over 80 years results in almost 7,000 alien flights per day (just over the US). There are 25,000 fli…

Or it could be you’ve made a ridiculous assumption by comparing commercial airlines to UFOs in the first place.

I'm asking if alien craft are a safer method of transport than air liners. Alternatively, if we replaced air liners with these craft, would fewer people die? If they are safer then the sky should be flooded with them to result in 12 crashes so far. This doesn't seem to be the case so there must instead be a smaller number of more dangerous craft to result in 12 crashes. So either the sky is flooded with invisible alien craft or their craft are a more dangerous method of travel than our air liners.

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Post by dang »

waterheater wrote: post #299
dang wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is the best video link and which is the best article link?

Best video link - Public US hearing on UFOs [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36880454 - July 2023 (55 comments) Best article link - Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36880471 - July 2023 (13 comments)

Ok, I've merged them in that way. Thanks!

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Post by [deleted] »

wildermuthn wrote: post #377

I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

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Post by coding123 »

jmclnx wrote: post #106
coding123 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are all things everyone is paying attention to. A small 2 hour meeting on UFOs are not allowed? There were 138 congressional hearings on climate change in 2022 alone. https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/on-the-hill-in-2022-a-bre... https://www.eesi.org/files/EESI_s_2022_Climate,_Environmenta...

No more then a meeting on Big Foot :) Seems Congress is doing all it can to ignore Issues that really need to be fixed. >There were 138 congressional hearings on climate change in 2022 alone. And what came of this ? Just denial, finger pointing and "fund raisers" to get more bribes from the fossil fuel industry :)

If they're going to be unable to come to consensus on it, then fine, maybe we should have 0 climate hearings this year. Maybe instead spend ALL YEAR on the UFO topic until someone comes forward with crashed saucers and guts.

If we find out they ARE here, maybe they can help with the climate?

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Post by mikewarot »

mazelife wrote: post #352
lakomen wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you know this for a fact because?

Well the titular "whistleblower" of the article has claimed the U.S. recovered a saucer from World War II dictator Benito Mussolini on a tip from Pope Pius XII. Sorry but that's firmly in tinfoil-hat territory. https://popculture.com/trending/news/vatican-helped-recover-...

Well, we were friends with Italy before the war. He's an event that ended in Chicago, in August 1933, for example.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decennial_Air_Cruise

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Post by vanrysss »

wildermuthn wrote: post #377

I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

Or, they do exist but might as well not for practical purposes due to the universal speed limit.

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Post by NoPicklez »

srge wrote: post #132

Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

I cast doubt because these people never actually show any legitimate evidence, despite their supposed career appointments.

If you're going to put your career and reputation on the line, actually show or leak something that makes people believe you.

Otherwise, themselves and their titles only seek to perpetuate an average news story or cover up for something else the government is doing.

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Post by mcpackieh »

mattmaroon wrote: post #396
mcpackieh wrote: post #285

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> While the odds are almost 100% that there's intelligent life somewhere I disagree, it's pretty easy to make "Drake equations" go to zero, particularly if you limit the scope to just the Milky Way galaxy (only 10^11 stars.) The Rare Earth Hypothesis is consistent with all of our empirical observations of the universe thus-far.

I don’t think it’s easy to make the Drake equation go to zero, though it is within the relatively limited section of the universe from which of visitor could get here.

Two or three independent "one in a million" chances will push the Drake equation to near zero in the milky way. Such chances could be things like "chance of multicellular life developing from unicellular" (took billions of years on earth, maybe it was never likely to happen in the first place) or "chance for multicellular life to invent radios" (overwhelming majority of multicellular life on earth was never going to invent radios. Evolution isn't directed to create tool-inventing apes.)

Or it could be a few dozen 50/50 chances that need to be cleared, or some mix of the two. Drake equations only spit out "aliens likely" if you assume earth-like planets will inevitably create human-like life but that's a hell of an assumption. And then we look into the night sky and see/hear nothing from the aliens that supposedly must be up there and call it a paradox... well it's not a paradox if the Rare Earth hypothesis is true. If the empirical evidence is saying one thing and the speculative math is saying another thing, it's probably the speculative math that's wrong.

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Post by JohnBooty »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #163
srge wrote: post #132

Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

>putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line They aren't because there is literally no new data, none. This isn't like Manning etc... where there was a materiel leak of classified data. So what would they be charged/fired for? Nothing. It's so much lazier, the claim is that being prevented access is somehow a proof of a coverup. All of the claims of harm were long before any of the publicity he…

    They aren't because there is literally no new data, none
Grusch cannot legally divulge classified information publicly. Nobody can. Instant jail time- see Manning, etc. So no, obviously, we couldn't possibly have seen data or proof today.

He can, however, discuss it with Congress and the whistleblower program in a secure setting and has done so (as he mentioned many dozens of times under oath today) and is willing to do so further.

    truth claims
I think I see the disconnect here.

I don't see (credible) people claiming that anything was proven to be the "truth" today. Yet that seems to be what you're railing about. Well, hey, I agree with you a hundred percent about that. Nothing proved.

However, for reasons reiterated dozens of times here, his claims are very significant. If they are not true then he has duped a lot of members of Congress. Considering some of the congresspeople I saw up there today, it's not exactly the intellectual A-Team. But still.

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