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A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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It's exceptionally relevant. Excuse my French, but this constant doomerism is really fucking up the kids. >"More than half of the 16- to 25-year-olds in the Lancet survey said they believe humanity is doomed. And close to 40 percent said that fears about the future have made them reluctant to have children of their own." [1] We gave an entire generation anxiety and depression, and it's going to wreak havoc on the fer…
>It's exceptionally relevant. Excuse my French, but this constant doomerism is really fucking up the kids. Think of the children?? Lol, as if the environment being 20 degrees hotter isn't going to "fuck up the kids". The kinds should be worried. Many of them actually are worried and try to do something about it, it's the adults that won't listen or curb behaviors, or in many cases try at all - and at worst they call…
I'm glad you just came right out and said you're anti-human, most people beat around that particular landmine of a bush.
Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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Yes, but I - and probably you - will die sometime between 2025 and 2095. I wouldn't say that therefore our deaths are imminent.
My kids should still be alive in 2100, if only just
If my son lives as long as his (still alive) great grandpa has so far, he’ll still be alive in 2110.
Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
#264I’m a physical oceanographer. While I have only skimmed this article I would like to make two quick comments. 1) The AMOC is one of the most studied parts of the world ocean and predictions about its collapse have been made since Stommel in 1961. I think in general any study on its imminent collapse should be taken with a grain of salt and it would be wise to wait for further replication and the consensus of the comm…
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Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
#265This has been on my mind this past week(and is only lightly tangential)...but would we be able to observe adaptations being made by plants/animals/ecosystems on a timescale of years or decades...to the changing climate? Humans will be playing mental gymnastics and politics for quite a while before any true changes to move the needle are made...but all other biological things can just make the adaptations...given enou…
Migration in terrestrial animals has been blocked. By us. Nobody expects reindeer being allowed to pass the Holidays in France. Birds can fly. European terrestrial big mammals used to have extensive migrations like those in Africa. Not possible anymore with all the cities, agriculture and highways.
Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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Yeah, everything that's been predicted for decades is happening but it could just be a total coincidence. And if it isn't I'm sure they'll just magically figure out economically viable fusion or spray some aerosols into the atmosphere or somehow just magically fix everything. I'm sure everything will be fine. That's why I'm not having kids. /s
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Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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So say it does collapse, in layman's terms what does that mean?
Europe would get cold. Ocean currents bring lots of warm water from the south towards Europe making it quite a bit warmer than other places at similar latitudes. Cities in Europe are quite a bit further north than most people think. Lots of other side effects as well would happen but be less known or surely predicted by models.
Not just colder, also drier right?
Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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Having a realistic picture of the future is important for long-term life planning. It is not the reporting of the facts that’s fuckin’ up the kids, it’s the facts themselves. Burying your head in the sand is not a valid technique when addressing anxieties, it only makes the inevitable emotional breakdown worse when things come to a head.
It is not a "fact" that climate change will cause our extinction. Point me to one serious report that says that. Your nonstop doomerism has half the kids believing that absolute lie.
You're right. Severe climate change might destroy modern civilisation but it's unlikely to completely wipe out homo sapiens.
Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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Look at it this way. The link to the article appeared on HN 15:59:54. braaannigan's comment appeared on 17:07:56. Thus, it took this HN user not more than 60 minutes to conclude that this article is of low quality and should not have been published in Nature. Nature's editors, the article's authors, and its peer reviewers disagree. braaannigan is anonymous and do not put their reputation on the line. Nature's editors…
To reemphasize: this is Nature Communications, not Nature. Editorially completely independent, much lower impact factor.
Well, If the model is correct, we for sure will feel a huge impact.
And this is the only factor that will really matter.
Re: A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
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You are completely correct I regret that word choice now. I was rushing to comment because I felt it was important to provide context on AMOC collapse scholarship.
Memento mori: top comment made the same mistake[1], your contributions reinforced the top comment, and your separate individual reply is the second comment. Rushing to comment has deep effects on HN, the threading incentivizes appending to the top comments rather than replying. This will now be a philosophical debate about scientific trust for hours just because people assume the article says "collapse is happening s…
I don't know. I'd rather have the top comment be from a physical oceanographer than from, say, some random web programmer. Both the perspective and the background context information are valuable.