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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #244
KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #185

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University of California, Washington, and Texas are hardly uncompetitive. Their admission rates are very low for the good programs.

UC's are a huge exception, yes. The better equivalent is the CSU system and even then it's relatively competitive comared to other public unis.

> UC's are a huge exception

UNC Chapel Hill, UVA, Virginia Tech, College of William & Mary, Georgia Tech, UT Austin, University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, University of Wisconsin Madison, Purdue...

America has a solid stable of top-tier public universities.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by johnnyanmac »

vl wrote: post #260
veave wrote: post #235

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What kind of discussion did you expect on a post like this? Obviously everybody is going to talk about the politics involved, that's the only thing that you can discuss here.

Why post like this should be here at all? How it meets the inclusion criteria? If I remember correctly, not so long ago dang was editing out posts about ongoing armed revolt in Russia - a country that started largest war in Europe in recent history. And yet there is a post about minor policy decision in one of the 50 states.

>Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

I think you can argue there's an interesting new phenomenon here. By these rules, I'm guessing the original "Russia attacks Ukraine" post would be allowed, but not the 50th update on the war.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by mynameishere »

999900000999 wrote: post #81

Now in a better world we'd drop a word from this sentence and make it free for all state residents. That's closer to what it used to be. Realistically this doesn't change much since it's extremely unlikely a foster kid wouldn't qualify for a full ride prior to this. The only people who really get screwed are middle class families who make too much to qualify for aid, but can't really afford to pay for school.

but can't really afford to pay for school

Oh, they're paying for it all right.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by XorNot »

erickf1 wrote: post #236
XorNot wrote: post #204

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You live in a democracy. If ward's of the state were well taken care of, it would imply a voting majority who recognize this as valuable. Maybe they would also do other things with that power, like vote for increased assistance and benefits for parents in general, or expand the program to be a blanket "everyone can have free state college".

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So tell me, how are state congressman chosen? Senators? Federal congressmen? Local school boards, state judges, county sherriffs. What happens before a new president takes power? What procedure is implemented to facilitate that?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

pessimizer wrote: post #21
getmeinrn wrote: post #13

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of institutionalized bigotry. Unfortunately certain minorities get turned away from AA benefits because the narrative is focused on only one group despite historical slights affecting many more. As implemented, it wasn't even fair to the people it was claiming to assist.

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Post by jojobas »

getmeinrn wrote: post #13

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Does being a foster child automatically mean you're poor though?

Could one be taken away from rich abusive parents with a mandated allowance?

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Post by phpisthebest »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #258
phpisthebest wrote: post #240

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Reality is many many many property owners, investors, etc are in active legal battles with the city to get permission to develop their properties. I would love a citation to support your claims

Try reading a newspaper? https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-san-...

I try to avoid propaganda. The fact your authoritative source is the LA Times provides important context as to why you think the things you do

That said your link does not prove your claim, the fact that Newsom is supported by liberal elite is not news, and only 1 of the families in the story seemingly have connection to being landloards

The other were a oil company, a retailer, and 2 owners of hotels, of which all of them seem to be old money with seemingly no direct connection to current San Fran real estate market.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

j45 wrote: post #266
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #98

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> Equality is very different than equity How old are these definitions? I've only seen them used this way in public policy circles, and left-leaning ones at that. It's also totally discontinuous with the treatment of equality in classical literature. Put another way, isn't equity just a masking term for top-to-bottom wealth transfers?

Hm, if you’re looking at left or (by your own omission right) and don’t have one to share yourself I’d be thinking about the why behind your common. Would you say Equality and equity are the same?

> Would you say Equality and equity are the same?

It depends on with whom I'm speaking. Even the Wikipedia page for the former is a disambiguation [1].

The historical (and international) use of the former is closer to that of egalitarianism [2]. I fail to see what is gained by redefining equality and creating the term equity when equal opportunity vs. equality of outcome has decades of scholarship behind it, to say nothing of being clearer on first glance.

I don't know enough to render judgement. But it smells like the tail-chasing semantics the social sciences love, randomly re-appropriating jargon instead of debating the underlying problem.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by evandale »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #289
slashdev wrote: post #247

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You can't make a fact more true. It simply is. You can drop the personal attacks and insinuations. That's not necessary.

It’s not really a personal attack to point out that your “just asking questions” routine happens to dovetail nicely with certain political talking points. Why so defensive?

Why don't you name the pieces of facts that are missing then so the parent can respond to it?

You keep making personal attacks and asking if the parent is employed by the state of Florida. What does their employment situation have to do with anything?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by dopidopHN »

WWLink wrote: post #84
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #37

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I love this policy. If it's free then no-one brings their own, and no-one is looked down at. BUT... I checked the menu of a school where I used to live... Pizza, hot dogs, fries... We can make the most delicious vegetables, roasted, ... And they get carbs. Nutrition taken from nature decomposed in its elemental components put back together for the perfect addictive meal...

We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good. I'd rather see kids get free pizza and hot dogs for school lunch, than I would a system where it costs $8 per student and only some kids get free lunch, but it's 100% vegan fair trade certified healthy food. Now if you can pull a boiling frog meme and make the pizza be healthy, haha more power to them!

I agree with you, I really do. Some meal is better than no meal.

But we forgot how to make decent food at scale.

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