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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by bugglebeetle »

phpisthebest wrote: post #212
bugglebeetle wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but this logic is explicitly filtered through class in the US context. Some of the most antisocial members of our society are CEOs, politicians, and similar leaders. The damage they inflict on society often far exceeds that by individual acts of violence, fraud, thievery etc. Think about what has been wrought by Sacklers, the people running 3M, or those who led the country into war premised on lies. Indeed, you…

>>>San Francisco was a lovely city until landlords and real estate speculators turned it into a casino for gambling on housing and office space. before I even begin to address your others points, many I probably agree with we need to stop with this gas lighting narrative. landlords and real estate speculators are not the villains of the San Francisco of the story. The city government (and the larger state government)…

> From the endless zoning regulations, environmental regulations, and building regulations that make it impossible to build affordable housing, and a decades long process to build any housing at all

Who do you think it is exactly that demands that politicians enact these laws? The homeless? Renters? No, it’s the landlords and the real estate speculators who are trying to pump up the value of their investments. This is a very simple case of cui bono.

I’m not in anyway spreading “disinformation and lies,” you just seem to have a very distorted understanding of cause and effect. Here’s the order of operations:

Landlords and real estate speculators buy properties -> Landlords and real estate speculators pressure politicians to protect their investments -> New housing doesn’t get built as a result of this pressure -> Cities become unaffordable because of lack of supply -> Crime and homelessness spikes.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by nomat »

Manuel_D wrote: post #189
jmerz wrote: post #135

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So there's actually a lot of academic debate on the merits of reparations, and exactly what and how much reparations should be. A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. The oversimplified con argument: Okay, but i…

The overall precedence is that reparations are paid to the people who experienced the harm, and the reparations are paid by those culpable of the harm. The Japanese who experienced internment were paid reparations by the United States government that took their property. Holocaust victims that had their property stolen were paid reparations by the former Nazis. By contrast Irish Americans could very justifiably claim…

The harms from slavery didn't end after the civil war. We had to pass laws a century later in the 1960s to outlaw the racist policies implemented by federal and state govts after reconstruction. The social (and legal) structure of american society has always had black people at the bottom, and until that is fixed then black people as a group are still being actively damaged by the legacy of chattel slavery.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by phpisthebest »

jncfhnb wrote: post #221
phpisthebest wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>>San Francisco was a lovely city until landlords and real estate speculators turned it into a casino for gambling on housing and office space. before I even begin to address your others points, many I probably agree with we need to stop with this gas lighting narrative. landlords and real estate speculators are not the villains of the San Francisco of the story. The city government (and the larger state government)…

The city government is controlled by the land owning elite.

Is the city government elected? How do you square support for democracy, and stating the city government is controlled by "the land owning elite"

I am told questioning elections is a conspiracy.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by jrflowers »

ecf wrote: post #25

Where is the support for the middle class? The ones deemed too wealthy for financial aid, but not wealthy enough to actually afford the cost of college? Just more tax dollars being siphoned away from my family that got zero assistance.

It sucks when tax dollars that weren’t going to me in the first place continue to not go to me. It’s like nobody wants to discuss how people getting things is the same as the government taking away things I never had!

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by veave »

throwaway72762 wrote: post #111

Is everything culture war all the time now on this site? Every post becomes a stupid comment section where we'd be better off getting an LLM to write the comments for us. Here it's people trying to insert their affirmative action narratives and also rant about California a bit (in a backhanded way). We can do better.

What kind of discussion did you expect on a post like this? Obviously everybody is going to talk about the politics involved, that's the only thing that you can discuss here.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by erickf1 »

XorNot wrote: post #204
whall6 wrote: post #200

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If foster children were raised so well that people were jealous, maybe that would create an adverse incentive for people to create more children than they can handle and desert children that they’ve already had?

You live in a democracy. If ward's of the state were well taken care of, it would imply a voting majority who recognize this as valuable. Maybe they would also do other things with that power, like vote for increased assistance and benefits for parents in general, or expand the program to be a blanket "everyone can have free state college".

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by yyyk »

Racing0461 wrote: post #103

What's to stop parents from putting their kids up for foster care when they turn 15 so they can attend college at 16 for free?

The process is a nightmare no sane person would want to get into. It's a nightmare not just for the children. Are you willing to lose all your relationships for free college? To risk losing custody for any other child you may have. now or in the future?

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Post by Ygg2 »

qwytw wrote: post #138
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #132

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> Do reparations for slavery even make logical sense? Yes. The slaves did labor. That labor demands wages. The fact that the formerly enslaved also benefited from public goods to which all citizens had access does not pay down the debt owned to them for their labor.

I guess a better question is whether reparation paid out to 5th+ generation descendants of slaves make sense. How do you even implement that practically?

It's a great distraction. It's like Eris' golden apple. Very appealing but impossible to fulfill.

Gets people really against each other, and away from your profits.

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Post by slashdev »

nomat wrote: post #232
Manuel_D wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overall precedence is that reparations are paid to the people who experienced the harm, and the reparations are paid by those culpable of the harm. The Japanese who experienced internment were paid reparations by the United States government that took their property. Holocaust victims that had their property stolen were paid reparations by the former Nazis. By contrast Irish Americans could very justifiably claim…

The harms from slavery didn't end after the civil war. We had to pass laws a century later in the 1960s to outlaw the racist policies implemented by federal and state govts after reconstruction. The social (and legal) structure of american society has always had black people at the bottom, and until that is fixed then black people as a group are still being actively damaged by the legacy of chattel slavery.

That's true. There are still people alive who were hurt by those laws.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by phpisthebest »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #231
phpisthebest wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>>San Francisco was a lovely city until landlords and real estate speculators turned it into a casino for gambling on housing and office space. before I even begin to address your others points, many I probably agree with we need to stop with this gas lighting narrative. landlords and real estate speculators are not the villains of the San Francisco of the story. The city government (and the larger state government)…

> From the endless zoning regulations, environmental regulations, and building regulations that make it impossible to build affordable housing, and a decades long process to build any housing at all Who do you think it is exactly that demands that politicians enact these laws? The homeless? Renters? No, it’s the landlords and the real estate speculators who are trying to pump up the value of their investments. This i…

Reality is many many many property owners, investors, etc are in active legal battles with the city to get permission to develop their properties.

I would love a citation to support your claims

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