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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by rkangel »

dhimes wrote: post #389
beltsazar wrote: post #214

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I switched to Firefox from Chrome years ago because Chrome was slower. Specially, when there were many tabs opened, switching tabs in Chrome were usually prefaced with a blank white screen for about 2 seconds. I've been staying with Firefox not for the performance (today Chrome loads Google sites like YouTube faster), but mainly for Tree Style Tab extension. I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs withou…

I've stayed (edit: with Firefox) because of (1) containers and (2) password storage. I have to use Chrome for some things, and every now and then it prompts me for a password and refuses to use the auto-fill. Totally torques me off because my passwords are not easy. But I completely trust Firefox on the password issue, to the point that I let it generate them for me.

Firefox password management on desktop is great. I've got very frustrated with it on mobile (Android) over the last 6 months, with it failing to recognise password fields on account creation to generate passwords. I was relying on Firefox password management but have just transitioned to Bitwarden.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by alpaca128 »

saberience wrote: post #211
alpaca128 wrote: post #162

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On my main Firefox profile I'm rarely below 1000 tabs. I also use them as bookmarks and backlog, and every couple of months I scroll through the entire tab bar and close everything unimportant. The address bar also searches all open tabs and lets me jump to matches.

This is blowing my mind right now, how do you operate with so many tabs? For me, as soon as I can’t tell which site is in which tab it means I need to close some. And I don’t see the utility of having so many tabs open, since you can obviously only use one at a time. So if you have 100 or 1000 open, most are not being used most of the time, so why not close them? What do you lose from closing tabs versus what do you…

A tab bar is similar to a bookshelf for me: I see the icon and title of open websites in a neat list. Closing tabs and banishing them to some hidden history/bookmark menu is like putting your books into boxes in the basement instead of a shelf. Sure they're still there, but you might forget you have a book because you never see it and you have to dig through boxes to find it.

If a closed tab only remains in the bookmarks or history it might as well not exist for my brain.

> Closing tabs keeps my machine fast and memory usage low

I just restart the browser now and then, which will unload all tabs again. They're still in the tab bar but require almost no memory until I use them.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by AndroidKitKat »

efreak wrote: post #478
AndroidKitKat wrote: post #369

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The handy part about Firefox, unlike Chrome, will shrink tabs to a minimum width and then make them a horizontally scrolling list. I am somewhat of a tab hoarder (I also keep browser windows on vertical monitors), so using Chrome, where it would shrink tabs more and more until there's nothing but a sliver, wouldn't work. Below are screenshots of examples. Firefox keeps things usable; Chrome not so much. (I also know…

If this is the only thing stopping you from using Chrome (ie you'd prefer to use Chrome), this might help. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/08/29/how-to-set-a-minimum-tab-w...

I was not aware of this, I will probably check this out on my Windows machine, since I've had a nasty bug where Firefox will decide to just use ALL of my GPU resources, crashing whatever game I am playing. Very annoying bug and I should probably take the time to report it, but every time I encounter it I'm usually focused on my game.

Thanks.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by RunSet »

Jochim wrote: post #288

Firefox has been my browser of choice since I switched from Internet Explorer as a child. However, I've found their refusal to implement or offer alternatives to WebSerial and screen-casting utterly depressing. It's made a number of tasks more difficult and inconvenient and makes Firefox a less useful tool overall. On the WebSerial discussion ticket, an educator articulates how this decision essentially forces what w…

"WebSerial" appears to me just another baby step in Chome's quest to become an OS.

What is the justification for making everyone's browser able to "read from and write to serial devices"?

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Serial_...

I know it is really for user fingerprinting but what is google's overt justification for pushing it?

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by Jochim »

RunSet wrote: post #524
Jochim wrote: post #288

Firefox has been my browser of choice since I switched from Internet Explorer as a child. However, I've found their refusal to implement or offer alternatives to WebSerial and screen-casting utterly depressing. It's made a number of tasks more difficult and inconvenient and makes Firefox a less useful tool overall. On the WebSerial discussion ticket, an educator articulates how this decision essentially forces what w…

"WebSerial" appears to me just another baby step in Chome's quest to become an OS. What is the justification for making everyone's browser able to "read from and write to serial devices"? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Serial_... I know it is really for user fingerprinting but what is google's overt justification for pushing it?

Mozilla's argument isn't that you'll be tracked or fingerprinted. It's that you're too stupid to be permitted control over whether or not you want to allow access to devices you've connected to your machine. Rather than work to mitigate those risks, they've decided to hobble the utility of their browser.

Personally, it would make flashing ESPHome devices much more convenient. Not having to switch browser for a start. The ability to plug a board into whatever PC on my LAN and just flash it, without having to install and maintain the entire toolchain is nice as well.

More broadly, there are web based IDEs for microcontrollers. Arduino has one: https://docs.arduino.cc/learn/starting-guide/the-arduino-web...

A few of these are aimed at the education sector, removing a some of the significant barriers faced by educators that would otherwise have trouble getting the software installed and keeping it updated.

In one of the discussions, someone was using it to help dental offices retrieve data from some specialised hardware. Browser support dealt with similar concerns of how to distribute the software to non-technical clients and keep it up to date. It was also something their clients understood, rather than something new.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by TheRealPomax »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #334
TheRealPomax wrote: post #332

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Firefox had them. In fact, it had them since version 4 [1]. Then Firefox got rid of them again [2]. For no clear reason. And then Chrome copied the idea. And that's just a messed up timeline of events. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-4-beta-updated-w... [2] https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-is-removing-tab-group...

It still lives on as an extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/panorama-view...

But it should never have needed to be one. Every extension is an increase in security exploit surface. They removed it because "it wasn't popular enough", rather than "it had problems that don't have the capacity to fix" in a period where they had no idea what to do with FF in order to not bleed money all over the floor. Removing it was a short sighted decision that did nothing to push the needle up.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by bobbob1921 »

azeirah wrote: post #425
bobbob1921 wrote: post #364

Im also a recent to firefox from Chrome convert recently (win 11). My reason is UI latency related, and my used case is a tad unique. As a network engineer, and system administrator, my daily PC is very high end enterprise hardware and running windows 11, and has 8 x 4K monitors. I always will have 20 to 50 web browser windows open as well as many tabs in each of those windows. The main issue I was encountering, and…

8 x 4K monitors, I'm so jealous wow. I wish my work would give me even one, I'm developing on 2 full hd monitors :( I even do some design work so it's honestly pretty bad.

Thanks, to be fully accurate, it’s 6X 4K monitors normal orientation,, and 2x 2560p - 29 inch widescreen type monitors both rotated vertically , and touching each other (via one of those $60 or so floorstanding 40 inch tall dual monitor mounts from Amazon).

I love my set up, I work for myself, and from home, so purchased it myself.

The GPUs I use, used to be 2X Nvidia, P1000 Quadro. But as I was trying to troubleshoot this latency issue I was referring to I’ve upgraded to 2X Quadro, RTX 4000 GPUs. (Which actually made little difference/improvement to the issue).

By the way, set ups like mine aren’t as expensive as you might think, you can get a nvidia Quadro P1000 or P2000 GPU on eBay for very inexpensive, as in around maybe 200 or less, each.

I really don’t play games, the rare times I do it’s exclusively on my Xbox (so none of this is for gaming / gaming optimized)

Edit: also, the 4K monitors are 30 inch in physical size, one might be 32-inch. This is very important I have found over the years (and going through many different monitors and resolutions to finally find the optimal set up for myself.) - 30 or 32 inch I have found is the sweet spot for 4K resolution.

I don’t use any windows OS text size increase (or whatever the 100% 125% 150% thing is called, mine is set to 100%.)

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by akino_germany »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #396
akino_germany wrote: post #275

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Find out for yourself using https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

Not downloading a random exe to my computer, sorry) And by random I mean downloaded from a website of corporation with less than $100B valuation :)

Then you might find namebench appealing: https://code.google.com/archive/p/namebench/
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