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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #208

Kind of a shame they didn't include Safari. But it's good to see Firefox has managed to climb to the second place.

Here are the Speedometer results for Firefox, Chrome, and Safari on macOS:

https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perfherder/graphs?highlightAl...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#472

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

No other browser has something like container tabs. Temporary Containers is an excellent extension to make each new tab its own isolated browser session too. First Party Isolation is 1 thing, but Chrome cannot do containers.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me I just type titles or word back into the browser bar and Firefox searches history. How are you searching/navigating to find the right tab of several hundred to go back to that tab?

Vimium - press shift-T - search among all page titles and URLs of open tabs.

Why is that better than searching history or bookmarks?

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#474
post #32

See also https://arewefastyet.com .

As a JavaScript developer my priorities are limited to visual render and DOM access. Going back 5+ years ago Chrome was able to access the DOM at about 45m ops/s on my desktop and Firefox was achieving about 850m ops/s on the same hardware. On my laptop (faster memory) Chrome was getting up to 55m ops/s while Firefox was around 1.4b ops/s. Now Firefox numbers have remained constant, but Chrome struggles to hit 20m op…

"access the DOM" is not a constant operation, though, it will vary wildly based on what you're doing and what you were doing just before that (think of reading a computed style before vs after writing a style that forces layout).

1.4b ops/s also sounds like it might not be testing what you think it's testing. Access in that case might just be hitting a cache, so possibly not at all representative of real performance of a web app.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#475

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It's ADHD sure, but it's also an unwillingness to close tabs, and (generally) that we have poor windowing systems that force us into ~1-2 browser windows at a time because browser windows are harder to manage than tabs. The big change for me has been realizing that all my "tabs" are still there, in the form of my browser history, or if not, via Google search. If I can't find my way back to a website via my history or…

I stopped using persistent browser history because I realized without it I become more diligent at bookmarking pages. Deliberately bookmarked pages are alot less clutter than my entire browsing history, so with my address bar only searching my bookmarks and current session's history, it's easier for me to find what I'm looking for. It results in smaller haystacks for my needles to get lost in. I loath using general p…

I like this idea, might give that a go.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #43

I’d be curious to see how Safari stacks up. I switched to it when I was finding Firefox too slow a long time and have largely stuck with it because of inertia. Very happy with it as a browser though.

If you switch to Mac you can get Safari numbers, which seem to be about the same or just slower than Chrome, and now Firefox as well:

https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perfherder/graphs?highlightAl...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, what does that UI look like with 1,000 tabs open? Isn't it just like, one pixel per tab, or a scrollbar 50 times wider than your monitor? Is that actually useful?

The handy part about Firefox, unlike Chrome, will shrink tabs to a minimum width and then make them a horizontally scrolling list. I am somewhat of a tab hoarder (I also keep browser windows on vertical monitors), so using Chrome, where it would shrink tabs more and more until there's nothing but a sliver, wouldn't work. Below are screenshots of examples. Firefox keeps things usable; Chrome not so much. (I also know…

If this is the only thing stopping you from using Chrome (ie you'd prefer to use Chrome), this might help. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/08/29/how-to-set-a-minimum-tab-w...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#479
post #208

Kind of a shame they didn't include Safari. But it's good to see Firefox has managed to climb to the second place.

Heh, yeah I enjoy that this is the missing context. It really does show progress though for Firefox. It's like "The Cubs beat the Yankees in the World Series! (But the Astros actually won the World Series)"

Safari is slower, though? From the sibling comment:

https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perfherder/graphs?highlightAl...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#480
I use Safari as my primary browser, only for its tab groups implementation. In my opinion they just nailed it, I think it's much better than the Chrome one. I would really like to switch to Firefox as I prefer it in every other way, but I don't think I will move until they offer a robust native tab group implementation (I've tried Simple Tab Groups but I don't want to rely on a hacky extension for such a core functionality).
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