Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by filchermcurr » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

terafo wrote: post #107

seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

Firefox is slower for me than Chrome, but that's because I have tab hoarding problem(2k tabs in Firefox right now).

As a fellow tab hoarder, I recommend Auto Tab Discard. Tabs are still open but aren't actually loaded until you click on them. With various configurable options for how that works.

I have five windows open with about 1000 tabs in each, no performance problems at all. It's great!

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by mccr8 » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:15 PM UTC

pdanpdan wrote: post #133

Does this require some special test environment (special OS, special builds of firefox/chrome)? Because for me chrome vs firefox (both 115) - ubuntu desktop: 148(+-2.2) vs 126(+-6.5) - android phone: 95.8(+-2.0) vs 78.5(+-4.3) So it looks like chrome is faster and delivers a more stable performance while firefox is slower and more inconsistent on performance

The linked graph is for Firefox Nightly (currently 117) running on Windows.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by wintermutestwin » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:16 PM UTC

seapat wrote: post #85

wintermutestwin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing. Yes, and the lack of a viable vertical tabs solution for Chrome (though some Chrome based browsers have native implementations). I am baffled how anyone could still be using horizontal tabs as it is clearly inferior. I am also annoyed as hell that it is not native in Firefox.

What extension do you use for vertical tabs on FF? I tried tree style tabs and sideberry but liked neither.

Sidebery without using trees because they waste valuable tab name space. Having more name space is a key advantage to vertical tabs. I use separate windows for high level categories and use the titler extension to name the windows. Sidebery doesn’t recognize the titles when you want to move a tab to a new window though. That’s one of a few pieces of kruft in my setup.

Mozilla sucks, but it is because all of this should be baked in, not because of pocket or whatever political thing that HN regularly brings up.

I have tried the vertical tab implementation in several other browsers and they are all inferior. Safari’s is hilariously bad.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by hardcopy » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:16 PM UTC

wackget wrote: post #72

javajosh wrote: post #50

Firefox is a great browser and Mozilla is a (generally) great organization. It's my daily driver on all my devices (except my TV ha), it's fast and has great plugins that also work in mobile. Philosophically I'm very much a "root for the underdog" type of person so it makes me happy that way, too. Only very rarely (every few months) am I forced to use Chrome for a site - and in my view, that's a huge ding on the site…

What do you find lacking in Firefox dev tools? For me I actually prefer them to Chrome.

Not who you replied to, but: performance analysis, service worker debugging, indexeddb inspection

(I use firefox devtools primarily)

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by HeckFeck » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:16 PM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #98

systems_glitch wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to keep Chrome installed just for the dev tools, but the Firefox dev tools became good enough in probably 2013 or so.

Firefox gave birth to the first good dev tools as an extension IIRC

A testament to how open its old extension API was.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by dom96 » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:17 PM UTC

alpaca128 wrote: post #91

seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

Same. Recently I tried Brave because of all the praise but turns out the browser can only display around 80 tabs on the tab bar and every further tab simply never shows up even if it's in the foreground. I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. I'm staying with Firefox, though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker…

> though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker

Is that really the only reason to install Brave?

Starting to wonder if I should just set up a Firefox that bundles uBlock Origin by default with a brand new name.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by tapper » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:17 PM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #139

seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

Firefox's GC seems to be much slower than chromium at least as of 109. Certain Vue websites are rather prolific in their garbage generation and The performance difference between chromium and firefox is easily noticeable, particularly if you leave an SPA open for a while.

We are on firefox 115 now mate.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by fullstop » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #87

askl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also save some more weight by never filling the gas tank up to more than 25% capacity.

But that makes high speed chases impractical as you have to keep stopping for gas

You reminded me of this sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxY0-Qr_l78

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by seba_dos1 » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #178

seba_dos1 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox already allows for proper tab UIs, so no need to search for other solutions there :)

Just curious, what does that UI look like with 1,000 tabs open? Isn't it just like, one pixel per tab, or a scrollbar 50 times wider than your monitor? Is that actually useful?

My browser looks very similar to this: https://framagit.org/ariasuni/tabcenter-reborn/-/wikis/theme...

Tab list usability remains pretty much the same regardless of how many tabs are open.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by aembleton » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #94

eyegor wrote: post #42

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Tree style tabs is a vertical tab extension for ff and the best ui around if you use a lot of tabs. I can't even use chromium vertical tabs anymore because they feel terrible in comparison. You can also fully style tree style tabs via css. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

But then you get duplicates, since Mozilla made it a pain to disable the main tab bar. I'm using a Chromium offshoot (Arc) but I also like how Vivaldi handles vertical tabs. Firefox doesn't just compete with Chromium itself, but the entire ecosystem.

Does Vivaldi nest tabs yet? Its been a few years since I tried it but it didn't use to.

With TST, I can open a link as a new tab (middle click) and it is shown as a child of the opening tab. This makes it easy to minimise or close a whole tree of tabs.