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Re: LazyVim

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

fvgs wrote: post #133

My attention span for text editor configuration decreased drastically after I finished school. For better or worse, being a professional means making the correct trade off when time, money, and productivity are at stake. In the modern era, there are sufficiently many practical editors and IDE's with major economic investment behind making them highly functional out of the box. I simply cannot justify spending copious…

As long as you know your tools and can achieve everything it doesn't matter which tool you choose.

I tend to mentor a lot of newbies and they often use VSCode, but since they are newbies they don't know how to do basic things like search (and replace) and I can't help them since I've only used vim. I have tried to give VSCode a go couple times to get more familiar with it, but I run into same issue as you - I simply can't justify in my head the time and effort to familiarize myself with the editor, figure out what settings to use and which addons to add.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by konart »

Roark66 wrote: post #94
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I'm in a similar boat. I've used vscode, pycharm/idea, visual studio and vim etc. I'm currently giving neovim + i3wm a try, and there are certain things I love. Specifically instant switching between my browser and my ide, the ide and terminal. However, the speed of the LSP(tips, method definitions when coding) is greatly exaggerated. For example for python there is the exact same 10gb ram using behemoth running in t…

>The problem with that is that for some rarely used action one forgets...

Install https://github.com/folke/which-key.nvim and you will always have a popup that will tell you what keys to use next.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by atoav »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

For me vim is a good text editor. You could somehow turn it into an IDE — even into a good one, but that is not what is the core value proposition of vim.

I am mostly using sublime text for programming projects and vim for editing configs on headless servers. If I like to use vim for programming I'd try to add vim keybindings to my IDE instead of adding an IDE to vim.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by arghwhat »

p-e-w wrote: post #148
divbzero wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on: > 'left' actually means right

> Was that expressly written to parody Vim? Yes. The advice to turn the yoke upside down is supposed to reference remapping Caps Lock to Escape, without which Vim destroys your pinky on a standard keyboard. But it's the choice of professionals, so what can we do?

Trick for those wanting caps lock to be compose instead: ctrl-c also works as escape, and has historically been slightly faster due to sidestepping the escape timeout.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by kzrdude »

_7tgr wrote: post #120
godelski wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never tried neovim, but have been a vim user for over a decade and never really dealt with problems where I need to touch vimscript at all. Is neovim that clunky? Is it plugins?

No, it's not clunky. The plugin community is just a lot more active, imo. I personally avoid plugins wherever I can, since I prefer to write my own little Lua scripts that do stuff the way I like. (And I quite like the Lua API-- the lua plugins I use seem be a lot faster/less janky than the vimscript ones, as well? not sure)

datapoint: lazyvim has had 127 releases since it was first released. Which was in november or something like that, maybe just 7-8 months ago.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by izoow »

I've recently been exploring various neovim distributions and I feel like at this point neovims package ecosystem has gotten good enough that these distributions don't really seem to make my life much easier. Many times quite the opposite actually, as I often find myself fighting with them when I want fo change something.

The experience is still not as painless as effortless as VS Code, distribution or not, but it's definitely gotten a lot better than it used to be.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by danjac »

erfgh wrote: post #153
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

One of the basic tenets of Vim is that it is not an IDE. It is a text editor. By the way, if you need an IDE for Python then you're missing the point of Python.

I don't need an IDE for Python. Of course I can use a plain text editor if I want. Hell, nano even.

But right now, today, at work, I have a large legacy Django project to maintain, and it's kind of nice having little things like auto code formatting and linting to help me as I go and prevent me from making dumb mistakes and saving me a ton of time so I can focus on the problem at hand, not making the code look nice for review and I can hop between buffers to fix up the tests as I change the code.

I can certainly just run black/isort/ruff what have you manually, or with pre-commit, sure. But it's more productive to be able to see changes as I work.

Sure maybe I shouldn't be using Python, and maybe the original developers should have written it in Rust or whatever. Fine. But that's not what I'm being paid for.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by kzrdude »

ctenb wrote: post #163

What ide functionality is provided by lazy vim?

LSP integration gives access to completion, linter or compiler warnings and errors, formatting. It adds file browser views. And it preconfigures a nice way to resume an editing session (preserve open files).

Re: LazyVim

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Post by CiTyBear »

Many people complain about the time you need to have a proper vim. In computer security, I learnt to make my own tools, to develop my own script that match what I want to do/scan.

For vim, this is exactly the same. I started with Python so my vim became the best Python IDE (for me) and that's all. What I said to junior dev is "Here my vim conf, you are allowed to copy/paste only what you understand". Then I did some Typescript and added a configuration that works for me. Thus, some pain point came from my old config in python, I found new good plugins and added them. And so on with rust and ruby. Everything is commited so now, on a new machine, it takes me the time to copy/paste my config and write :PlugInstall.

Everytime I test vscode, it does not do what I want and when I look into it, I can't configure it correctly. Vim has always my back.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

mathisfun123 wrote: post #43
godelski wrote: post #39

I know it sounds like a pain, but I really am a big advocate for learning how to customize vim (or emacs) yourself. These are great places to start, but the power of terminal editors is that they cater to you at a very personal level. The problem with "IDEs" isn't that they are bulky, it is that they railroad you into doing something a very specific way. Terminal emulators put the custom configuration in your face be…

> Turn it into a game if you want. some of us don't have time to play games? i mean definitely used to when i was a kid but now i have lots of deadlines and little enough time to play games with my human friends let alone with my editor. > make the editor __yours__ a good tool is useful immediately and has the potential to be personalized. i mean imagine how little carpentry would ever get done if every hammer, drill…

>some of us don't have time to play games?

Be honest how productive are you? You probably waste more time during your workday than you do work. Not every day, you might even have very productive weeks, but think over a year how many hours you "waste" on taking breaks to read HackerNews or Reddit or make a Tweet or whatever.

You could spend that time fixing issues with your editor and that would lead to improved workflow when you get back to work.

And in my mind you should use your work time to improve yourself and your tools. From the day I started I decide that I wanted to be the best at what I do and I can't get there if I just do the work. So every day from the day I started working I've taken 30-60 minutes per day from my actual working time to improve. Be it learning something new or configuring my tools (editor, terminal, operating system, browser, whatever). And no employer has complained about my output nor should they since they are getting better output for the same investment.

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