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Re: LazyVim

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Post by raverbashing »

divbzero wrote: post #123
p-e-w wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on: > 'left' actually means right

Emacs more likely since the bug is 23 yrs old and the gatekeeping

But yeah I agree with the sentiment of parent OP

Re: LazyVim

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Post by noud »

Am I the only one using vanilla vim with a minimal configuration file (Very easy to setup. Moreover, when I'm on a different computer and open (vanilla) vim without any configurations. I know that everything is more or less the same as my default vim environment. I think it's not that hard to learn developing in the default vim environment, with some minor tweaks.

Also related, How to Do 90% of What Plugins Do (With Just Vim): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA2WjJbmmoM

Re: LazyVim

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Post by fvgs »

My attention span for text editor configuration decreased drastically after I finished school. For better or worse, being a professional means making the correct trade off when time, money, and productivity are at stake.

In the modern era, there are sufficiently many practical editors and IDE's with major economic investment behind making them highly functional out of the box. I simply cannot justify spending copious amounts of time configuring a text editor when there's sufficiently good and productive options out there.

Looks like the last edit I published to my Vim config was 5 years ago https://github.com/fvgs/.vim

But hey, maybe I'll find some "lazy" time to give LazyVim a go and give VSCode a break.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by j16sdiz »

constantcrying wrote: post #119
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

Setting up vim with IDE features takes an hour maximum + 2 minutes per additional language. If that is too much for you, you could have used any of the various vim/nvim distributions with the features already there. You could have even used Doom Emacs with vim keys . If you don't want to use vim, I do not mind whatsoever, but if you put in a bit of effort the solution to your problems would appear.

Sometimes it is too many choices. Each of them have its own glitch and dependency. Finding out which one I like most is time consuming.

Re: LazyVim

#135

Post by htag »

jgilias wrote: post #98
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

Some time ago I switched from my bespoke Vim setup to Doom Emacs. I was pleasantly surprised to find out how “VS-esque” it is. As in, it’s very easy to set up it for a new language. Usually I just need to uncomment the correct line in config. And even if it’s not there, finding the correct major-mode and installing it is usually pretty straightforward. So yeah, highly recommended! Of course, I use the evil mode for V…

If your goal is to avoid becoming an expert in elisp then it's certainly possible while using Doom Emacs, but you're not getting the full experience.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by _7tgr »

mumblingdrunk wrote: post #128
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

This is why I switched to Helix. The configuration is practically non-existent, and it has default configs for all the language servers I could ever want to interact with. I just put the language server binary in my path and I'm ready to go with autocomplete and all the other features.

Helix is cool, but it doesn't have Vim keybinds, which is unfortunate. I find its own system to be a little worse than Vim's (see my other comment about it in this thread).

Re: LazyVim

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Post by raverbashing »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

Completely agree

(As much as I'm team *Vim) Vimscript is a mess. Oh, so you mean 'noremap' means remap this? No way! /s

The story about plugins is so true, regardless of the above. People will want you to install a plugin with 5 stars that will not play nice with anything else to do something basic like pre-save processing. Or one of the 'everything but the kitchen sink' plugins that has an end goal of giving you a Borgified Vim

And in the end I sincerely don't care, I could use the time I'm playing with this to install VSCode, or something else and have something more complete OotB

Re: LazyVim

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Post by serial_dev »

constantcrying wrote: post #119
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

Setting up vim with IDE features takes an hour maximum + 2 minutes per additional language. If that is too much for you, you could have used any of the various vim/nvim distributions with the features already there. You could have even used Doom Emacs with vim keys . If you don't want to use vim, I do not mind whatsoever, but if you put in a bit of effort the solution to your problems would appear.

Sure, it's one hour if you did that already 20 times and you know the ecosystem.

An hour is barely enough to go through the vimtutor which itself is pretty basic (aka you won't get far with it, so you need to keep learning and practicing).

If you are a vim newbie, it takes a lot of time to figure out you need plugins, then figure out how to install plugins, then what's the difference between plugin installers, finding the needed plugins for your languages, getting familiar with each plugins commands, resolve any conflicts between them, then you need file pickers, debuggers, task launchers, snippets, split screens, multi tabs, etc... Even then, you only made things work once... Good luck figuring that out in one hour...

Then you'll need to keep the config working, practice and memorize the commands, movements, and maybe customize your workflow.

Configuring vim to replace your IDE may be worth it, but "set it up in one hour" is, in my experience, extremely unrealistic.

Re: LazyVim

#139

Post by Faceless1230 »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I'd recommend trying a neovim distro like lunarvim out. It has black and all other typical ide features configured out of the box and doesn't mess with your normal neovim config.

Re: LazyVim

#140

Post by alwillis »

loveparade wrote: post #4

A bit off-topic, but I wonder how much Copilot/GPT cuts into the market share of editors like vim and emacs. I used emacs for the past few years, but I recently switched (back) to vscode because the Copilot integration is really good. There are a lot GPT integraton packages for other editors, but they don't come close to the deeper integration that vscode has. And of course, vscode will probably get priority treatmen…

> A bit off-topic, but I wonder how much Copilot/GPT cuts into the market share of editors like vim and emacs.

So you think that the two editors that have been around for nearly 100 years combined and are extremely customizable and have survived every coding fad, language and technology trend, is in danger from AI features?

Short answer: no.

Both Emacs and Neovim has first class support/implementations of Co-Pilot and GPT plugins.

For example ChatGPT.nvim [1].

[1]: https://github.com/jackMort/ChatGPT.nvim

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