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Re: LazyVim

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Post by wolletd »

59nadir wrote: post #130
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

JetBrains have excellent offerings for both JavaScript and Python, in my opinion. I happen to like Neovim and I don't use the languages you have issues with the Neovim side of, but if I were to use an alternative it would definitely be JetBrains IDEs.

JetBrains also has a excellent Vim Mode plugin that provides most features I love Vim for.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice,

I don't think vim is meant to be an IDE. If you want an IDE, go get an IDE. If you want a text editor, vim works well. But vscode is unwieldy as a text editor, and vim is painful to contort into an IDE.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by divbzero »

danjac wrote: post #118
CGamesPlay wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like you just told me that the thing that works without extra steps isn't cool. Is the problem that you're worried about not being cool?

The problem is when you are a newbie to a space, you don't know the difference between "cool" and "what is the best practice as defined by the experts".

I can see both points of view.

I’ve definitely been down the Vim config rabbit hole and struggled to find the right balance between “cool” (actively developed with newer features) vs. “best practice” (more mature and stable). My current approach is to search Hacker News comments for “vim plugin-feature-I-want” and the most popular comments usually point me in the right direction.

For what it’s worth, I use Neovim with ALE at the moment and it works just fine.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by dcow »

p-e-w wrote: post #87
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

This is why I strictly adhere to vanilla Vim.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by gsinclair »

joshka wrote: post #108

I dallied in this briefly, but couldn't get a good rust setup exactly how I liked, so went back to vscode pretty quick. Perhaps there's a good lazy+rust guide somewhere? I ran into the usual sorts of problems of some random plugin with instructions for how to install it in some other plugin manager for nvim, which means you have to learn two plugin managers and both their underlying concepts in order to port the conf…

No, you never have to learn two plugin managers. Never.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by dcow »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I cant stand VSCode anymore after using Zed[1]. I mean it was always clunky but there weren't better options. Now there is.

1: https://zed.dev

Edit: I did use Helix for awhile (long enough to still have muscle memory for their editing model) but it’s just not there yet and eventually moved on to Zed.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by Barrin92 »

constantcrying wrote: post #119
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

Setting up vim with IDE features takes an hour maximum + 2 minutes per additional language. If that is too much for you, you could have used any of the various vim/nvim distributions with the features already there. You could have even used Doom Emacs with vim keys . If you don't want to use vim, I do not mind whatsoever, but if you put in a bit of effort the solution to your problems would appear.

That's simply not the case because you will, very quickly, run into problems. One example I had with vim recently was that two different plugins both tried to format the same code and actually send each other into some sort of hell loop and crashed vim entirely because they called something in a circular fashion.

That's absolutely representative of the kind of errors vim and neovim configurations have, because it's all independent plugins with very little ability to fix weird interactions. As soon as you have to customize anything in a slightly non-expected way you have no chance to predict if this is gonna break one of the dozen things that are basically held together with duct tape. VsCode or anyting designed to be an actual IDE with its tools better integrated doesn't suffer from this.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by p-e-w »

divbzero wrote: post #123
p-e-w wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on: > 'left' actually means right

> Was that expressly written to parody Vim?

Yes. The advice to turn the yoke upside down is supposed to reference remapping Caps Lock to Escape, without which Vim destroys your pinky on a standard keyboard. But it's the choice of professionals, so what can we do?

Re: LazyVim

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Post by globular-toast »

p-e-w wrote: post #87
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

Let's not forget that vim isn't really designed to be an IDE, though. People just like the editor so much they want an IDE with it. Unfortunately using vim itself for that is the wrong choice. The correct choice is emacs with evil mode.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by danjac »

dcow wrote: post #144
p-e-w wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

This is why I strictly adhere to vanilla Vim.

I use vanilla vim when I have to ssh into a server and work on some config files. As such, I much prefer it to nano, and it's installed, or easily installable, on any Linux server.

For that use case, it's absolutely great. No complaints.

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