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Re: VanMoof encryption key exporter

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> This is not expensive at all. I mean, you can get a regular bike for €300, €700 if you want to splurge. But of course, the downside of that would be that you'd get more exercise.

You can get a cheap bike for 300 where every part except the frame fails within a year. Otherwise 500-700 is the low end for quality bikes.

300 buys you a fantastic second hand bike with all standard parts that any shop can repair or replace.

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This is a commuter bike. That's hardly related to "exercise", it's about getting from A to B efficiently, cheaply and comfortably.

Pretty ridiculous claim to say that biking to and from work every day isn't providing you with exercise.

It’s a scale, the majority of colleagues that have an e-bike state they don’t want to rock up to work in sweat.

If exercise was the primary focus alongside a commuter, then getting a non-electric bike would be likely the focus.

Source: I just bought a bicycle and went through months of asking colleagues and friends their opinions on e-bikes. I ended up with a bike cause I’m not planning to commute

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Generally not. According to a newspaper that followed one of the trackers for a day, the tracker offered a choice: "Give me the bike now right now or I call the police, who will see my data, believe me and do have the authority, and I'll meet you at the door if you try to move the bike."

But would the police show up for a measly bike theft? Where I live, they probably would not, even if you caught them red-handed.

Maybe they would for a bike that costs more than 2k?

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People have different requirements. I had a commute that on an ebike took 50 minutes, and on a regular bike took me about 1:15 minutes each way. I couldn't do 2:30hrs of cycling every day, 5 days a week - it wasn't an option both in terms of time and effort. Maybe with a serious training program (and if I was older it would be even more difficult). 45 minutes of cycling on an electric bike was still plenty of exercis…

There are kids in Amsterdam getting children's e-bikes for a 5 minute ride to school. I'm still not seeing this as good development, at least not in most places in the Netherlands.

As the expression goes, 'horses for courses'.

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In the Netherlands at least most of the established brands (Gazelle, Sparta, Batavus) have been selling e-bikes for 15-20 years now with sales really taking off in the last 5-10. Most are comfortable city bikes that use standard bike parts. Battery performance has improved a lot over the years and most models allow you to remove (and replace) the battery. Depending on where you live they may be sold under different b…

Those are all 2k+ from what I see, so closer to Mercedes S Class than to Golf. Golf would be a 1k bike as the original comment mentioned :-(

Mercedes S class would be a Riese & Muller, you need to adjust your pricing expectations for e-bikes.

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I'm using a bike that I bought new for less than 100 euro from a big box shop. I've been using it for more than a decade with zero maintenance (apart from fixing occasional flat). It still works. It's just little stiff which is a feature because I can prop the handlebars against the wall and it stays like that because the weight of the bicycle is not enough to turn the handlebars. It's also heavy because it has suspe…

I mean, why buy a bike at all? You could just run instead of riding, it is even more exercise for you, and doesn't cost a penny.

Maybe you can. I can't run. Even a minute or two. Never could. My lungs fill with a up with fluid and joints get easily injured when I run. I can walk though. And I'm walking a lot too. Biking engages different muscles, I move differently and it puts less stress on the joints.

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For me, it's just nice/satisfying using a aesthetically designed piece of kit, even if not top of the line performance. Which is issue for bikes, since a well tuned bike makes a huge difference. I don't like looking at all the bits of gear drive system, I like aesthetics of single speed, but riding one PIA. Ended up with a slick belt drive + internal hub setup. Van Moof (which I was considering buying) was basically…

Belt drive and gear hub is an awesome combo indeed. I'm spending a stupid amount of money to build a gravel bike with that setup, since it doesn't really exist. I like a different aesthetic but to each their own. A bike you love is the best investment you can make.

There are some that use Shimano Alfine, like the Priority Apollo and Shand Leveret, and others that use Rohloff like MiTech R-Gravel and Shand Cycles Stooshie Rohloff. They're still much rarer that derailleur bikes, though the latest innovation is using a rear derailleur and a 2 speed gear hub with the Classified Powershift.

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I am not sure why everyone thinks they are expensive. Just the bike is about 2000 euro. There are eBikes costing 4000 euro. My van moof was about 2800 because I bought the 2 packages taking care of theft and repairs. Because of their image I never have to lock the bike besides their amazing kick lock bike, so getting on and off the bike with locking and unlocking it is a matter of seconds. This is not expensive at al…

> This is not expensive at all. I mean, you can get a regular bike for €300, €700 if you want to splurge. But of course, the downside of that would be that you'd get more exercise.

You can also exercise with an ebike. I push just as hard as on my acoustic bike when I feel like it instead of all the time. It’s 30C outside? I don’t have to arrive all sweaty with an ebike. I have a meeting or go into work? Same.

But when I choose too I can lower the assist level, pedal hard, and/or go faster and longer.

Best of both worlds. But I have a European ebike with torque sensing, not the glorified escooters with pedals where the motor is either full torque or no torque: I still have to pedal to make the bike move.

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Any recommendations for an ebike < 1k? You also seem to be EU based :)

I have this - Tenways C600 for EUR 1400. My work subsidised it by EUR 500, so it was a EUR 900 e-bike for me. It is almost perfect for my commuting needs. https://www.tenways.com/products/cgo600

That looks awesome! Thank you

Re: VanMoof encryption key exporter

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Honest question: what’s the appeal of a bike that needs an internet connection & app to unlock?

The appeal is that thieves need to do the same thing. Which limits the value of the bike for them because it makes it easy to track them down. It's part of the theft protection. Which, if you've ever had your bike stolen is a big selling point for these bikes. Theft is a reason why I've never bothered with premium bikes. Because you can't take them anywhere and expect them to not get stolen. Van Moof changed that. Th…

> The appeal is that thieves need to do the same thing.

Couldn’t you achieve that with a hardware key though? You don’t really need a server and still have a hardware Bluetooth key that is secure with the bike being useless without it? Then you don’t depend on a company staying afloat and granting you the privilege to keep using your bicycle as they see fit/VC greed dictates.

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