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The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by zafka »

RC_ITR wrote: post #121
ravenstine wrote: post #19

The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

I always think it’s so interesting that on the threads about counterculture, nobody brings up the obvious counterculture that is a huge topic of conversation in America: Homeless people. A large group of individuals who live their life very differently from the mainstream (countercultures do not have to be opt-in), who have completely different goals/morals/motivations than the mainstream, and are fully and violently…

I have given a fair amount of thought to the "homeless" lifestyle. I live in south Florida in what till fairly recently has been a quite little "just outside the main tourist zone" village. When I ran an art gallery/pottery shop I got to know quite a few of the local homeless, a few quite well. I realize that a fair amount of homeless folks, almost for sure the great majority, are not choosing this lifestyle. The ones that do choose this lifestyle though, I figure that they have the opportunity to "live" way more than those of us who work 30-50 years to secure a retirement. Hell, even if they die younger due to missing out on some of the healthcare that I purchase, each year they have 2000 hours more time to read, reflect, fish. Well, It is a bit to late for me to consider this option, but I cannot say that the one I chose is the better one.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by nemo44x »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #71

Counterculture now is the far right. Trad West etc are huge, and the AOC/Wine Mom/Twitter dunk set doesn't really realize. Google Doodle Capitalism is really, really unpopular among that set, and the memes are incredible

> ...the AOC/Wine Mom/Twitter dunk set doesn't really realize.

They just have no idea. They have an equally irrelevant and unaware corporate media reenforcing this. I think certain corporations are beginning to sense it - you've seen a bit of a tone shift but they're just not sure because they just aren't tapped into this thing. Their elite training has not prepared them for this. They're still "hello fellow kids"'ing things that have become amazingly unpopular very quickly.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by safety1st »

dragonwriter wrote: post #125
safety1st wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's really right wing, there is an exodus of people from the Left as it becomes increasingly ideological, they may dally with the Right a bit - I think the first mention of this phenomenon was way back in 2014 by Scott Alexander as the "grey tribe" that was beginning to form: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin... But these people aren't necessarily conservatives, at least as t…

> I don't think it's really right wing, there is an exodus of people from the Left as it becomes increasingly ideological, they may dally with the Right a bit - I think the first mention of this phenomenon was way back in 2014 by Scott Alexander as the "grey tribe" that was beginning to form: No, there isn't and a sector defined by a particular ideological position doesn’t get “more ideological”. (There might be a be…

How do you explain Tulsi Gabbard and Naomi Wolf condemning intolerance in the Democratic Party in an interview with Jordan Peterson? Neither one is exactly a "lingering ideological conservative."

When I said the Left is becoming increasingly ideological perhaps I should have used the word intolerant instead. It is becoming more rigid in terms of what beliefs its members are allowed to hold, and the punishment for holding transgressive beliefs is becoming more severe. Another example of this is the "canceling" of JK Rowling - a liberal feminist who is virulently anti-conservative - for stepping out of line on a single issue. This list of liberals being ejected from the Left for their thought-trangressions is growing rapidly. I don't see how any clear-headed observer can deny its existence.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by [deleted] »

tekla wrote: post #20

Counterculture requires gatekeeping, because most people can't take it, ESPECIALLY anyone who uses Instragram The best times I've had were having parties where we would work on cool exhibits with barely contained pyrotechnics, Tesla coils that would kill you if you touched it, and an expectation that YOU DO NOT PUT IT ON THE INTERNET and if you get hurt, YOU DID NOT GET HURT HERE. Everyone wants a nice and curated ex…

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by dang »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #154

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26436552

Thanks! Macroexpanded:

The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26436552 - March 2021 (436 comments)

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by alwaysbeconsing »

helen___keller wrote: post #114
dingusdew wrote: post #38

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You had me until the weird put-down of soy and insects.

Some people really really hate tofu I guess. Probably never had a great mapo tofu, that stuff slaps

Mapo tofu doesn't seem like a good counterexample since the pork component is as important as the tofu to the dish. Granted there are veg versions using mushrooms as an alternative.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by mihaic »

haswell wrote: post #130
mihaic wrote: post #68

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That post does make it sounds very cool to do all these things though, so I'd say it's good to have a balancing post that says that risking body parts for a thrill is uncool.

> risking body parts for a thrill is uncool - Free divers - Rock climbers - Motorcycle riders - Mountain bikers - Sky divers - Skateboarders - Glider pilots - Base jumpers There is a vast array of body-part-risking hobbies with a spectrum of associated risk. While I’m not one to encourage obvious stupidity, bodily risk is at the center of so many things that humans value, that I think there’s a framing problem by say…

Like some dude said, that's just, like, my opinion. I'm not forcing it on anyone, but I do want a fair chance of trying to convince others of it.

I understand that mastery and control can come from dangerous activities, but I can still voice my disapproval of these activities, since you can get the same feeling through safer ways.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by Levitz »

dfxm12 wrote: post #144
Llamasponge wrote: post #12

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream, you could argue that the far-right has become counterculture. The far-right is VERY prevalent on both Instagram, Twitter and other social media.

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream You could have said this at least for the last 70 years. It doesn't change the systemic issues that enable prejudice against minorities. This means prejudice is still more mainstream than tolerance. Recently, there was a SCOTUS ruling that allows one to refuse making websites for same sex couples. This whole case was based on a falsifi…

>You could have said this at least for the last 70 years. It doesn't change the systemic issues that enable prejudice against minorities. This means prejudice is still more mainstream than tolerance

While I find it impossible to quantify, I think we can at least assure that prejudice is frowned upon by society. Things have definitely changed in 70 years.

>Recently, there was a SCOTUS ruling that allows one to refuse making websites for same sex couples.

No. It allows one to refuse making a product if making that product implies speech.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Post by [deleted] »

mihaic wrote: post #68
sodapopcan wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the point of the comment. Saying "don't do these things" isn't helpful because people are going to do them regardless. OP is saying it should not be on the mainstream internet, ie, the open "gatekeeping required" statement.

That post does make it sounds very cool to do all these things though, so I'd say it's good to have a balancing post that says that risking body parts for a thrill is uncool.

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