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The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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Erm, counter culture has nothing to do with age per se.

"never trust anyone over 30" was a maxim for a reason. It's difficult to fight culture once you've become invested in the status quo, and so alienated by the cutting edge that modernity disgusts you.

That was for a different time. Those under 30s grew up and many are more countercultural than kids under 30 now

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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There's a beginning of an idea here, but this article quickly degrades into faffing about. The author is opining on various cultural touchpoints and weaving narrative. But it's all rather disconnected from what happened to the internet and why it is the way it is.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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“Actual power keeps a low profile; actual power doesn’t need a social media presence, it owns social media.” So where does Elon fit in here?

Elon Musk is only powerful in that he is productive or enables productiveness, producing things that others find valuable and hard to produce. I.e. he's powerful in the capitalist sense.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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“Actual power keeps a low profile; actual power doesn’t need a social media presence, it owns social media.” So where does Elon fit in here?

Elon Musk is only powerful in that he is productive or enables productiveness, producing things that others find valuable and hard to produce. I.e. he's powerful in the capitalist sense, not the political sense.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #39

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If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later. You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.

This is why people think counterculture is dead. I've hurt myself badly many times and have never regretted it, because it was fun and incredibly intellectually satisfying. I know no-one at these places that regret it, everyone accepts that that they are all working to a common goal of being awesome

I’ve never met anyone who regretted causing their own death either.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #48

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream, you could argue that the far-right has become counterculture. The far-right is VERY prevalent on both Instagram, Twitter and other social media.

I think this is the biggest argument against deplatforming: it actually makes them cool. Part of the appeal of these ideologies is clearly that they are offensive, not permitted on mainstream platforms, and therefore are something that their participants can "own" and that won't be co-opted by consumerism. It's the same thing that fueled "Satanic" rock and similar things. Fascism is devil music. That most people are…

> I think this is the biggest argument against deplatforming: it actually makes them cool.

The thing that mystifies me is that when parents get in on something it usually nukes the coolness factor, but the far right has an overwhelming supply of 50+ year olds on just about every platform and this has had no impact on its rise in popularity among the teens and twenty-somethings.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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The real counterculture right now is non-participation . In a world where virtually everything is either designed to completely waste your time or fail and not be repairable, it's a highly radical act to stop consuming like the 95%, preferring to spend time with other humans in reality doing something that isn't technological. In spite of the popular world pushing the message that you will be fulfilled living in virt…

the radical sets their phone to "do not disturb" and plays frisbee-golf or pub trivia

I have recently been surprised to learn how robust both the stamp collecting and model railroading hobbies are these days.

Living in the HN bubble, I just assumed they were both dead. They're not. Not by a long shot. I wonder what other "old timey" hobbies are still popular.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later. You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.

I think you're missing the point of the comment. Saying "don't do these things" isn't helpful because people are going to do them regardless. OP is saying it should not be on the mainstream internet, ie, the open "gatekeeping required" statement.

That post does make it sounds very cool to do all these things though, so I'd say it's good to have a balancing post that says that risking body parts for a thrill is uncool.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #20

Counterculture requires gatekeeping, because most people can't take it, ESPECIALLY anyone who uses Instragram The best times I've had were having parties where we would work on cool exhibits with barely contained pyrotechnics, Tesla coils that would kill you if you touched it, and an expectation that YOU DO NOT PUT IT ON THE INTERNET and if you get hurt, YOU DID NOT GET HURT HERE. Everyone wants a nice and curated ex…

If you are risking fingers, cutting off body parts or taking dumb risks just stop. It's not worth it. It's not cool or interesting. These are the things you regret later. You did not get hurt here works until someone does get hurt and the hammer comes down on you.

it's cool if you get throu it w/o loosing.

i'd say they risk is what makes it interesting.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)

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post #48

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream, you could argue that the far-right has become counterculture. The far-right is VERY prevalent on both Instagram, Twitter and other social media.

I think this is the biggest argument against deplatforming: it actually makes them cool. Part of the appeal of these ideologies is clearly that they are offensive, not permitted on mainstream platforms, and therefore are something that their participants can "own" and that won't be co-opted by consumerism. It's the same thing that fueled "Satanic" rock and similar things. Fascism is devil music. That most people are…

>> I think this is the biggest argument against deplatforming: it actually makes them cool.

I disagree that it makes them cool. Counter culture generally contributes something different and important enough that it eventually becomes the culture and hence the counter cultural people become 'cool'. Extreme ideology of any kind isn't contributing anything. It's an attempt to feel different/special/part of a group, but there's nothing cultural about it and it's not going to receive any validation from outside the group (that would make it cool).

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