The Internet killed "monoculture". With no majority culture, by definition, it's hard to have counter culture.
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The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
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Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Join a local art collective or makerspace/hackerspace. Be open to not crying on the internet because you got hurt or someone said mean things, that comes with the package. Eventually you may start connecting with people who know things
Good lord, HN nerds are just as bad as the Instagrammers they detest. Nobody is going to makerspaces and losing fingers and whining on social media.
You may want to re-read the thread.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#153In 2023 counterculture is right wing but that's a hard to swallow pill for a lot
In what sense? The last 24 years in the US have/will be split equally between Democrat and Republican presidents. In the UK the majority of this century has been run by the Conservative party. The US Supreme Court is 'right leaning' and that's unlikely to change anytime soon. How can the right wing be the counter culture when it holds most of the power? [Obviously just looking at two countries I'm familiar with but r…
The US right lost ground for as long as I can remember. Remember, when Clinton was president he couldn't even talk about gay marriage, now it has been legal for a decade.
Sure the republicans have won elections, but would you really call Trumph conservative?
This ended when they won Row vs Wade, but short of that, they lost almost every battle they engaged in. The US is less religious than ever, porn and violent video games (not to mention DnD) is available everywhere and trans people are accepted at least in some places.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#154Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26436552
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
I posted this comment elsewhere but it's better moved here: I honestly think modern conservatism could now be classified by a counterculture, because they define themselves more by what they're against than what they are for. Seriously, over the years I've wracked my brain wondering why conservatism has moved so far to the radical fringe to the point where they simply seem to stand in opposition to even the most unco…
> Seriously, over the years I've wracked my brain wondering why conservatism has moved so far to the radical fringe to the point where they simply seem to stand in opposition to even the most uncontroversial stances on things like global warming, healthcare, vaccines, basic human rights, etc. Has conservatism "moved?" And if it has, has it moved to the right ? If we were to time travel three generations ago, would th…
> I submit that a present-day conservative would likely be a staunch liberal in those days. The Left has simply moved much further to the left.
... on social issues. The mainstream left and right, as far as those in power, remain about as similar on economics as they have since the right neoliberal movement took over both parties in the 80s—a position that both parties' extremes strongly disagree with, and that isn't particular popular among their electorate more generally (which is why Trump's just-say-what-R-voters-say platform fell, remarkably, outside that consensus) but which nonetheless drives most of both parties' activity, on that front.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
I posted this comment elsewhere but it's better moved here: I honestly think modern conservatism could now be classified by a counterculture, because they define themselves more by what they're against than what they are for. Seriously, over the years I've wracked my brain wondering why conservatism has moved so far to the radical fringe to the point where they simply seem to stand in opposition to even the most unco…
> Seriously, over the years I've wracked my brain wondering why conservatism has moved so far to the radical fringe to the point where they simply seem to stand in opposition to even the most uncontroversial stances on things like global warming, healthcare, vaccines, basic human rights, etc. Has conservatism "moved?" And if it has, has it moved to the right ? If we were to time travel three generations ago, would th…
Well, disclaimer, I used to consider myself 'conservative', as the conservatives I knew were more likely to take a hard nosed look at the facts and the science than whether or not the truth made someone feel good.
As I got older, I eventually started to notice conservatives starting to blatantly ignore the science and facts in a way I had previously only seen from the left. Today, I feel like the situation has completely reversed itself, and the right is more likely to completely ignore reality, fact and science if it clashes with their current beliefs. I do see some of this on the left, but it seems like it's gotten so much worse on the right in the past 20 years.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Join a local art collective or makerspace/hackerspace. Be open to not crying on the internet because you got hurt or someone said mean things, that comes with the package. Eventually you may start connecting with people who know things
Good lord, HN nerds are just as bad as the Instagrammers they detest. Nobody is going to makerspaces and losing fingers and whining on social media.
Re-read the GP's statement. The parties are not at makerspaces. You just would expect to meet people at makerspaces who know where the local "weird parties" are, because they're the people making the shoddy contraptions for these parties.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why people think counterculture is dead. I've hurt myself badly many times and have never regretted it, because it was fun and incredibly intellectually satisfying. I know no-one at these places that regret it, everyone accepts that that they are all working to a common goal of being awesome
No one at the events can admit to regretting it because they will be kicked out of the social group. The need for acceptance is greater than intellectual curiosity otherwise these riskful action would happen privately. That only happens for the few mental ill leaders. The rest are looking for excitement, social acceptance (from ingroup or stories later spread to new groups).
I think you're forgetting about the fact that people grow old and stop doing this, and therefore no longer have any social pressure on them to not speak ill of the idea? These parties have (presumably) been going on for a long time.
If people wanted to speak out against them, then there'd be 50-year-olds writing angry screeds to "warn the youth of today" about "the mistakes they made in their own youth, and deeply regretted, but couldn't speak out at the time." But we don't see that.
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're missing the point of the comment. Saying "don't do these things" isn't helpful because people are going to do them regardless. OP is saying it should not be on the mainstream internet, ie, the open "gatekeeping required" statement.
That post does make it sounds very cool to do all these things though, so I'd say it's good to have a balancing post that says that risking body parts for a thrill is uncool.
What does "uncool" mean to you?
To me, it's pretty obvious "cool" can only be defined descriptively, not prescriptively — i.e. "cool" is whatever makes idiot teenagers intuitively, instinctually impressed with you. By definition, you can't tell idiot teenagers what to think — in that, once you successfully do that, they're not idiot teenagers any more, and so are no longer the arbiters of "what's cool."
Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture, it's just not on Instagram (2021)
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
In what sense? The last 24 years in the US have/will be split equally between Democrat and Republican presidents. In the UK the majority of this century has been run by the Conservative party. The US Supreme Court is 'right leaning' and that's unlikely to change anytime soon. How can the right wing be the counter culture when it holds most of the power? [Obviously just looking at two countries I'm familiar with but r…
The US right lost ground for as long as I can remember. Remember, when Clinton was president he couldn't even talk about gay marriage, now it has been legal for a decade. Sure the republicans have won elections, but would you really call Trumph conservative? This ended when they won Row vs Wade, but short of that, they lost almost every battle they engaged in. The US is less religious than ever, porn and violent vide…
The left has won socially and the right won economically. The rich have won a greater share of the money, while social progress for homosexuality etc. has also been won.
The difference is that the poor and middle class of the right don't get to enjoy the benefits of their side's "win".