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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by agnosticmantis »

makeitdouble wrote: post #25
gleenn wrote: post #5

His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

What examples of ad based rising companies do you see ? My first thought was Google, and it's started to plateau in the recent years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/rev... . Meta also took a dive, and while it was from a sharp turn of the business focus, I'd argue it comes from an attempt to avoid staying on a stagnating market.

At the scale of Google/Meta plateauing could just mean market saturation, not that ads aren’t working anymore. I’d be interested to see data showing that RoI has also been decreasing for advertisers or that advertisers have started to pay less because they don’t find ads worthwhile.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by paul_funyun »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #29

Most advertising is wasted money anyway. Companies keep paying for advertising because they believe it works and out of tradition. If Coke stopped advertising (and I think they, or Pepsi did), they would have no significant reduction in sales. Ads should be for new interesting products, not things people have already made their decisions on. This fake advertising economy is one of the ways the first world keeps money…

Sounds good for me (first worlder).

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by convolvatron »

brewdad wrote: post #21
phaedrus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The YouTube channel Second Thought recently put out a video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0 ) whose thesis was that even being cheaper than fossil fuels is not / will not be enough for green energy to win, because under capitalism a cheap thing that also has low profit margin will not attract investment compared to a bit more expensive thing which can be exploited for more profit. I wonder if a similar…

Your coworker is wise. Economic theory holds that in a truly efficient market, profits approach 0.

does that mean that investment is fundamentally beholden to market inefficiency?

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by themitigating »

baron816 wrote: post #9

I think we really need microtransactions. Pay $0.05 to read this article? Sure. Whoever figures out the infrastructure for that (seems like it would be right up Stripe’s alley) is going to make trillions.

15 years ago I worked at Radio Shack in a mall. A woman and her daughter were looking for a cell phone.

We sold Verizon cell phone them with a 2 year contract which got you around 400 off the price. The cheapest phone with a contract was $29.00

In the mall were kiosks that sold a slight lower model phone with a tmobile contract but it was free. She asked me if we had any free phones, I said no, and she made a noise and walked out.

$30 for something you'll have for two years and we had a better service (verizon coverage) vs free

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by NiloCK »

b112 wrote: post #26
baron816 wrote: post #9

I think we really need microtransactions. Pay $0.05 to read this article? Sure. Whoever figures out the infrastructure for that (seems like it would be right up Stripe’s alley) is going to make trillions.

Micro-transactions will need to be $0.0001 or $0.00001, for it to ever gain acceptance.

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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by makestuff »

makeitdouble wrote: post #25
gleenn wrote: post #5

His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

What examples of ad based rising companies do you see ? My first thought was Google, and it's started to plateau in the recent years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/rev... . Meta also took a dive, and while it was from a sharp turn of the business focus, I'd argue it comes from an attempt to avoid staying on a stagnating market.

Amazon has a growing ad business, but imo it seems more like a “listing fee” that is required to have any sales on their store.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by nevdka »

fendy3002 wrote: post #38
phaedrus wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The YouTube channel Second Thought recently put out a video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0 ) whose thesis was that even being cheaper than fossil fuels is not / will not be enough for green energy to win, because under capitalism a cheap thing that also has low profit margin will not attract investment compared to a bit more expensive thing which can be exploited for more profit. I wonder if a similar…

True until it can be "monopolized". I guess in the near future govt will regulate green energy to some model that can give enough profit margin for corporates, and that will increase green energyp price to near fossil fuel, with bigger margin. Subscription based solar panel and electric vehicles come to mind. As for reddit and twitter it's not the efficiency and room for profit, it's the cost to provide said content…

You don't need a monopoly, you need competition. Renewables sell into the same energy market as fossil fuels, and get paid the same price. So you end up with low cost renewables making higher profits than high cost fossil fuels, and so attract more investment.

Long term, when renewables have displaced fossil fuels, then profits will fall. But that only happens after the renewables get investment.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by bordercases »

convolvatron wrote: post #53
brewdad wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your coworker is wise. Economic theory holds that in a truly efficient market, profits approach 0.

does that mean that investment is fundamentally beholden to market inefficiency?

“Market failure”, “Market gap”

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by _yb2s »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #48
standardUser wrote: post #20

I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Worse are the body shaming ad/games I have done a reasonable job at fooling Instagram to the extent where they think I'm a woman and I see horrifying ads all the time like the following: https://twitter.com/AndrewKemendo/status/1676597672667381773 I looked further and the key thing that viewers are doing (based on 600k app store reviews which seem to be mostly real) is trying to "give the girl a chance for once" "hel…

That is horrifying
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