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The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

What examples of ad based rising companies do you see ? My first thought was Google, and it's started to plateau in the recent years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/rev... . Meta also took a dive, and while it was from a sharp turn of the business focus, I'd argue it comes from an attempt to avoid staying on a stagnating market.

I don’t use it but TikTok

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

I recently googled some random topic (drag race engines I think) and got some fairly-decent article from 5 years ago that satisfied my curiosity. The website was actively user-hostile. Multiple things popping up all over the place, the works. Is there any other destiny for content like that? Long since written, but owned and served. Why not enshittify as much as possible, one performance review cycle at a time?

Interesting thought that for content where no competition exists, the owner can maximize profit by drowning it in ads. Doesn’t seem like there is much of an alternative outside of legislation or action from google to enforce stricter ad standards(like how pop ups got killed)

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Didn't watch the video but I've had the opposite experience from the title. All the ad-driven sites have forced my hand by now.

Most of the ad-driven social media site drove me far away, a long time ago. Reddit was the most recent and last, I'm never going to join another ad-drive social media platform again. I'm strictly on Mastodon, Lemmy and, for now, HN (I think lemmy might replace it). I've only been seriously using the fedivers stuff for about a week, I can feel a _major_ difference. I'm already trying to figure out exactly where I should start funneling my "Patreon budget" to be most effective at helping keep it's spirit alive.

Ad-driven media platforms have mostly gotten me to buy into the ad-free tier. YouTube being the most expensive and, by far, most used. The family plan is, I think, 22 a month and it's the last subscription I'd ever end. The channels I really like, I join the Patreon. I know YouTube has something similar now but I will never use it. That separation of paid subscribers from the platform the content creator currently uses to post, I think, is really, really important. Sacred even. I think, for example, the Breaking Points business model is something every channel should strive for. Channels structured in a similar manor tend to make incredible content. Even when they opt for sponsor ads, they're usually very tasteful about it. It doesn't bother me a bit to pay something and still get an ad like that.

Most of the movie/show streaming platforms just have me on that line of "doesn't cost much but they don't really have anything I like at the moment". When things get tight, they're the first to get cancelled.

I've found a better internet over the past year or so. It's nice again. I'm sure the majority of people aren't seeing it, but it's kind of back to how it used to be, if you try.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sort of a thing now with Bitcoin Lightning. You already can listen to podcasts and “stream” them a certain amount of money of your choosing. Called Value For Value and part of podcasting 2.0 spec. Whether this scales to entire internet I don’t know, but kindling is there.

I know one of the goals for Lightning Network was to cut transaction fees. Did that actually work out - is it realistic to pay someone $0.05 USD-equivalent in Bitcoin using Lightning? Or do I need to use an exchange/intermediary still?

Lightning is a bit of a difficult system to host yourself. But point is you set up something akin to a running total between you and your friends. The nice thing here is that, you only lose money when you total up at the end, like clearing all transactions and merging them into one. You are becoming your own Visa/Mastercard/ACH essentially.

You can certainly use a hosted wallet with lighting which is a sane alternative. There are still fees but only on cash ins and cash outs on the total amount tallied up between you and your friends when you chose to settle up in the form of BTC transaction fees. As far as I understand there are pretty much no transfer fees.

But I am just a novice interested in this tech. So correct me if I am wrong.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Super low cost ads that lead to super low cost horrible clickbait content.

You can blame companies like outbrain and taboola for purposefully having horrible advertiser quality standards, and websites who are willing to have that junk on their site. The cycle repeats endlessly, as the horrible sites have.. horrible ads.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

#46
Good. The internet was really fun before the ads and monetization came.

We had forums and personal web sites. Weird blogs everywhere you looked. Some semblance of anonymity. A sense of community that wasn't about growing a following.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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post #5

His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

The YouTube channel Second Thought recently put out a video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0 ) whose thesis was that even being cheaper than fossil fuels is not / will not be enough for green energy to win, because under capitalism a cheap thing that also has low profit margin will not attract investment compared to a bit more expensive thing which can be exploited for more profit. I wonder if a similar…

I'm not sure what you mean by efficient, that Reddit gets people to the information they wanted as fast as possible?

I thought the whole idea behind Reddit and other sites was to keep people browsing with algorithms that keep them interested. Wouldn't that be what makes them efficient?

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Worse are the body shaming ad/games

I have done a reasonable job at fooling Instagram to the extent where they think I'm a woman and I see horrifying ads all the time like the following:

https://twitter.com/AndrewKemendo/status/1676597672667381773

I looked further and the key thing that viewers are doing (based on 600k app store reviews which seem to be mostly real) is trying to "give the girl a chance for once" "help her cause nobody else is" etc...

https://twitter.com/AndrewKemendo/status/1676631706818805771

There are software engineers and designers working full time making this stuff and they should be horrified.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Usually those types of display ads show up when targeting isn't possible, or your anonymized such that the CPMs for your session are low enough that it's cheap enough for these types of ads to make money.

There are really only 3 buyers of banner/display ads when no targeting is available:

1) Huge multinationals - think geico, coke, etc. Broad awareness campaigns

2) Scams, body horror, YMYL, click-trick, etc. This is what you're seeing. Info products, garbage cosmetics and scam courses have such huge margins that they can spend on broad-targeted placements for very cheap CPMs, with aggressive creatives that are A/B tested to death to get people to click. As long as the CPM is cheap, and the CTRs are high enough, the numbers work.

3) "Inexperienced" ad buyers

I'm not commenting or interested in debating the ethics of tracking and the internet data economy, but a side effect of removing 3rd party targeting is that as attribution goes away, buyers of ads pay less since they can't attribute dollars to campaigns, so you have to move to attribution methods more common in radio and TV. And as costs fall, it gives opportunities to the slimey shit you've been seeing.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I'm not going to watch this entire video. I just want to ask, what the fuck is going on with those disgusting body horror ads we see all over the internet? Close ups of pimples and wounds and bizzare diagrams of human anatomy that all appear designed specifically to draw the eye (at any cost) but personally just repulse me. There's a whole cross section of websites I won't visit, including some major news sites, beca…

Isn't there a popular fetish of watching procedures to remove pimples and other skin growths?
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