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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by hindsightbias »

NBJack wrote: post #467
Gigachad wrote: post #427

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Not really. Apple is catering to the majority of consumers who don't arrive at the store with their exact purchase ready to go. They want to be guided and shown all the options. And if you are in the small % who don't want this. Either go to one of the other retail stores selling the product, or order it online for pickup or delivery.

It doesn't make sense economically, and it is likely a side effect of a metric used on employee performance. Quick sale -> less time in store -> more time to help those that (actually!) need it. If you truly can't be bothered to take the money for an unambiguous transaction, Something Is Broken.

You’re not a candidate for upselling and both they and you know you’re going to wait or walk over to Best Buy and get an iPhone.

Revenue lost = 0

The percentage of HN types storming out screaming “I’m going to just go buy Android” is a rounding error.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by smoldesu »

georgespencer wrote: post #688
smoldesu wrote: post #665

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> Now find me a laptop with commensurate performance at the same price point from that time. Sure: https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Laptop-Memory-Windows/... > Apple has in fact publicly resisted repeated attempts from state and federal authorities to have it insert backdoors into iOS They have also in fact been part of NSA surveillance programs for over a decade. It's nice that Android gets out ahead of these t…

I'm happy to get into the subjective stuff you've outlined, although you're not OP, but before I do, can I just make sure you're clear on what I'm asking for on the laptop thing? I said: > look at the single core performance, battery life, and screen quality of the original 13" M1 MacBook Air. Now find me a laptop with commensurate performance at the same price point from that time. 1. Single core performance It look…

> It looks like the M1 which shipped in the 13" MacBook Air massively outperforms the AMD Ryzen 5 3500U[^1] on Geekbench 5 single core: 1710 vs. 707.

> Am I missing something?

Yes, a fair fight. Pick a laptop with the same core count as M1 and preferably another 5nm laptop chip for a truly "fair" comparison. Like the 5800u, if you fancy. Or ignore that and continue to insist faster and cheaper laptops don't exist.

> The M1 MacBook Air scored >29hrs on the battery rundown test

> Am I missing something?

Presumably the part in any of my previous comment where I mentioned battery life.

> The same reviews refer to the Ideapad having a "mediocre" screen.

> Am I missing something?

It's a $400 laptop and your only critera was that it had to be faster and cheaper. If you actually wanted to talk about displays then yes, your original comment was missing some key details. I wouldn't be surprised if your next reach was to claim MacOS is an "infinite value add" and end our comparison on that basis alone.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by p1esk »

simiones wrote: post #687
p1esk wrote: post #685

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from all of my experience We are talking about the future.

Sure, but we need to base our predictions of the future on our experience of existing similar technologies to have any credbility. For example, if I predicted that phones the size of a coin are the future, you could meaningfully say "in my experience, bigger phones are actually more sought after, so I don't believe your prediction".

if I predicted that phones the size of a coin are the future

My phone is on my wrist currently (Apple watch), I left my iphone at home. To me your prediction would have been correct (for now).

If you insist on basing your predictions on existing experiences, think of your sunglasses: light, comfortable, stylish. I predict that 10-20 years from now your sunglasses will offer great AR/VR experience, most likely through improvements in retinal projection technology. It will take nothing away from your experience using sunglasses and will add a whole lot more. Similar to traditional wrist watch —> Apple watch transition.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by mrguyorama »

jolux wrote: post #597
jimbob45 wrote: post #589

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Has this ever worked for a company where there were genuinely equal options available? Because you could say GMail but GMail was a better experience than literally every other provider at the time.

Everyone seems to say Vision Pro is better than everything else.

Everyone I have seen with actual experience USING VR and AR say it is not even evolutionary, let alone revolutionary.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by anonymouse008 »

tikkun wrote: post #681
anonymouse008 wrote: post #667

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Every time I try to type something in response it comes out overly verbose - Basically think of what you want to achieve, it’s the intent. Then think what happens if it happened automatically, that’s the ideal context (why pills for losing weight is so enticing). Then actually try to solve the problem in tech in the best way, and then you’ll see that the intent drives what tech context is truly great - as in you’ll e…

Tell me if this is what you're saying: It'd be better if they picked a use case, e.g. consuming movies/TV shows, and designed a device around that specific goal, rather than focusing on broader capabilities. Is that kinda what you're saying?

Yes, the best portable media player begot the best mobile phone. The best mobile phone begot the best general computing device - the general compute structure is emergent not core.

Think AirFryers and Convection Ovens - focused, small package, easy to use, etc vs…

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by jolux »

mrguyorama wrote: post #694
jolux wrote: post #597

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Everyone seems to say Vision Pro is better than everything else.

Everyone I have seen with actual experience USING VR and AR say it is not even evolutionary, let alone revolutionary.

Palmer Luckey disagrees: https://www.uploadvr.com/palmer-luckey-on-meta-quest-pro/

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by ask_b123 »

lttlrck wrote: post #83
haberman wrote: post #52

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I always assumed I'd get LASIK if my vision started to degrade. Then I learned that apparently LASIK can't treat age-related farsightedness: fixing your close vision will mess up your far vision. The only option AFAIU is to treat one eye only, so you have one eye for close vision and one eye for far. That doesn't sound very enticing to me.

Yep. I have had myopia since my teens and by the time I decided to consider LASIK at 40 my optician told me it wasn't worth it because my vision will start to adjust toward far sightedness within 10 years. Fantastic advice! A few years later my prescription started to drop and I wear glasses less and less. If I had LASIK I'd be looking at glasses or more LASIK already. I do have low prescription inserts for VR becaus…

Wait, how should I use this info if I’m in my mid 20s and wanted to have LASIK? Well, I suppose I should discuss it with my optician.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by hyperthesis »

nomel wrote: post #448
hyperthesis wrote: post #365

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Apple claim text is crisp with VP. They also claim the resolution is similar to retina - but their stated pixel count and my guesstimates of usage distance suggest it's about half (in each dimension, so a quarter for area). If they've got it crisp, how big a deal do feel that would be? For yourself, and for others who've been interested?

I've showed several "professional computer users", who sit behind nice monitors all day, my Quest Pro virtual screen setup. They've all said it's too blurry/font is too large/not enough screen space (which are all the same, from lack of PPD). So, the Quest Pro is unusable to them, due to PPD. If the Vision Pro is actually retina, then that's good, but I don't think that's the only reason they wouldn't want to use it.…

Thanks - so it's a game-changer (if they've done it).

BTW I read somewhere they are adding a top strap.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

n2d4 wrote: post #684
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #634

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>What they actually have to do is make sure every person who gets one has the most perfect experience possible. But they can't have the most perfect experience if the software isn't there. And there won't be enough software that actually utilises the 3D features until a sufficient number of developers get access to the device. So I agree that the strategy can work but it can also be overstretched. If expensive device…

> And there won't be enough software that actually utilises the 3D features until a sufficient number of developers get access to the device. Judging by the keynote, Apple doesn't seem to care too much about 3D features. The Vision Pro looked more like a 360deg window manager for iOS & macOS-like apps. And that's an entirely different niche, because suddenly it competes with desktop monitors. Focus on immersion seems…

True, but this seems more like stopgap owed to the dearth of software rather than a long term strategy. If this thing never becomes more than a fancy monitor then it will be a disappointment for most users as well as Apple itself.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by georgespencer »

smoldesu wrote: post #692
georgespencer wrote: post #688

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I'm happy to get into the subjective stuff you've outlined, although you're not OP, but before I do, can I just make sure you're clear on what I'm asking for on the laptop thing? I said: > look at the single core performance, battery life, and screen quality of the original 13" M1 MacBook Air. Now find me a laptop with commensurate performance at the same price point from that time. 1. Single core performance It look…

> It looks like the M1 which shipped in the 13" MacBook Air massively outperforms the AMD Ryzen 5 3500U[^1] on Geekbench 5 single core: 1710 vs. 707. > Am I missing something? Yes, a fair fight. Pick a laptop with the same core count as M1 and preferably another 5nm laptop chip for a truly "fair" comparison. Like the 5800u, if you fancy. Or ignore that and continue to insist faster and cheaper laptops don't exist. >…

I think one of us is confused!

My original ask of OP was this:

> 2) look at the single core performance, battery life, and screen quality of the original 13" M1 MacBook Air. Now find me a laptop with commensurate performance at the same price point from that time.

My point is not that there are NO faster or cheaper laptops than MacBook Air, but that at this price point, it's very difficult (impossible?) to find comparable processor performance, battery life, and screen quality.

You offered a laptop which doesn't seem to be commensurate on any of those aspects. I think it's possibly because you didn't read the full comment?

> Or ignore that and continue to insist faster and cheaper laptops don't exist.

Hopefully the above clears up what I'm driving at. Faster laptops definitely exist. Cheaper laptops definitely exist.

> It's a $400 laptop and your only critera was that it had to be faster and cheaper.

No, that is not what I said. I referred to the MacBook Air "test" twice:

> > 2) look at the single core performance, battery life, and screen quality of the original 13" M1 MacBook Air. Now find me a laptop with commensurate performance at the same price point from that time.

This might be unclear to you. I am saying: look at [processor performance, battery performance, screen performance] of the original 13" M1 MacBook Air. Now find me a laptop with commensurate performance [to those aspects][ at the same price point.

I went on to refer back to this later on:

> 4. Can you find me that mythical laptop computer to compete with MacBook Air?

I did not set the condition that it be cheaper. I did not constrain performance to JUST the processor speed.

> If you actually wanted to talk about displays then yes, your original comment was missing some key details.

Is there something beyond me specifically referring to the "screen quality" that would have been helpful to your understanding?

> I wouldn't be surprised if your next reach was to claim MacOS is an "infinite value add" and end our comparison on that basis alone.

You're engaging in a lot of quite pointed speculation about my integrity in this discussion. Did you read what I said to OP? If so, can you help everyone understand why you think I don't care about the list of parameters I enumerated and am somehow moving the goalposts by assessing your example by the criteria I feel like I originally expressed?

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