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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by threeseed »

hordehamhill wrote: post #342
gpm wrote: post #289

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I have a Valve Index, I've tried it, the resolution is simply not good enough for it to be comfortable as a screen replacement. It (and all VR headsets before it) were simply not reaching the minimum viable product level of hardware for this use case.

And, until the resolution was good enough, your eyes were closed? You literally could not imagine what was possible until an incremental upgrade in optics occurred?

From all accounts this is far more than just an incremental upgrade.

The extremely low latency in rendering courtesy of the dedicated R1 chip is going to take some time for other companies to replicate.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by victor106 »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

From what I recall I’ve only had to do it with brand new product categories which I think is perfectly reasonable.

I don’t mind the additional hand holding for a new category to make my myself familiar with it.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by threeseed »

nomel wrote: post #450
threeseed wrote: post #361

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Everyone that has tried the Vision Pro has said the eye and hand tracking is flawless. Definitely agree with haptics which many have mentioned is an issue.

> Everyone that has tried the Vision Pro has said the eye and hand tracking is flawless. Context of the interaction is important. I've seen this mentioned with selecting, but not with doing something like picking up a 3d object. I don't recall seeing this use in any of the release footage.

There are plenty of WWDC videos around with specific details on Hand Tracking e.g.

https://youtu.be/zNFpAQb9hAg?t=908

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Post by treprinum »

CHY872 wrote: post #344
HWR_14 wrote: post #232

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In response to a couple of your points: (1) The HoloLens used eye tracking. It was tough to get used to but it was interesting. I didn't feel that I ever got to the point where it was more precise than moving my hand to a 3d point in space. (4) I doubt it's the headset. It's almost certainly the application the headset is running.

I do some sim racing. I can race for hours with a Reverb G2 but get nauseous within minutes with a Meta Quest Pro.

Yeah, Automobilista 2 or Flight Simulator 2020 are a joy on Reverb G2. Though I must say I was surprised how tiny Monaco felt which is probably a question of FOV.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by gonzo41 »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Apple looks like a tech company, but it's really a luxury goods company. When you consider it through this lens the magic falls away and it's just selling status.

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Post by jrnichols »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

> but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation

I have purchased several Apple Watches, iPhones, and other devices and not once have I ever been forced to sit through anything other than an employee going to the back to get what I purchased.

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Post by pornel »

Teever wrote: post #334
unreal37 wrote: post #301

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It's not a gaming device. It's two tiny iPads that you can put right up to your eyes and use hand movements to control.

Gaming is a pretty popular activity on the iPad.

$3500 device for $0.99 games seems like a waste.

Hopefully the release of the game porting toolkit is a sign they're thinking of gaming beyond the toddler casinos they have on iOS.

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Post by ghaff »

robocat wrote: post #372
ghaff wrote: post #337

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Though most “real” computers were quite expensive by todays standards at the time. The editor in chief of PC Magazine coined Machrones Law—the computer you want always costs $5000 dollars and that I held pretty well for a long time.

There's still a similar pattern in sports - the initial entry-level outlay for a variety of individual sports is $x. And the enthusiast price is similar across very different sports.

There's clearly a lot more variety in sports though. It's probably hard to have a big entry-level outlay for running or even racquet sports though for the latter you'll often benefit from lessons and there can easily be ongoing costs for club memberships and the like. Whereas SCUBA, mountain biking, golf will be significant and we won't even talk about horseback riding, yachting, etc.
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