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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by CrazyStat »

akira2501 wrote: post #151
drewg123 wrote: post #136

This product has opened my eyes to "AR" glasses in general, but I think its way overkill for what I want to do.. My use case is being able to code with a giant screen anywhere (plane, hotel room, etc). I just want a few giant editor windows and terminals open. I don't care about gaming, AR gimmicks, etc. From what I understand, there are a number of sub $500 options. (xreal air, rokud air, TCL NXTWEAR, etc). However…

> My use case is being able to code with a giant screen anywhere I've tried this on other platforms. The device gets heavy and your eyes get hot and sweaty, and dealing with an extension cord running from your head to a battery pack just adds insult to the inconvenience. It's not fun and it was not a major boost to productivity. Plus.. for $3,500 I can just buy quite a few nice monitors.

> Plus.. for $3,500 I can just buy quite a few nice monitors.

Yeah, but you can't use them in planes or hotel rooms very easily.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by HWR_14 »

CHY872 wrote: post #201
hordehamhill wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what about this product opened your eyes that the previous 15 years of VR/AR did not? Just Apple's marketing power? Or is there something specific about this device that made it click for you?

From my perspective: 1. Eye tracking for interaction vs hand tracking. If the UX works out, the amount of precision that can be reached is just far higher with less effort - just seems to be an easier technical problem. 2. Resolution and lensing. Most VR headsets have fairly low quality fresnel lenses which cause distortion near the edges (basically - if you want to see something in good detail, you have to tilt your…

In response to a couple of your points:

(1) The HoloLens used eye tracking. It was tough to get used to but it was interesting. I didn't feel that I ever got to the point where it was more precise than moving my hand to a 3d point in space.

(4) I doubt it's the headset. It's almost certainly the application the headset is running.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by deanCommie »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

This sounds to me like the issue of when technical people call Tech Support with an advanced problem and the agent forces them to first check their monitor is on and reset.

It's frustrating, sure, but look at if from the other side: 99% of the people they deal with are completely incapable, and 90% of their problems ARE solved by a simple reboot.

Apple/iPhone is the ubiquitous phone for everyone from CTOs to grandma's.

The in store experience is optimized to make sure a person that has been stuck in a cave for 30 years and can walk out with a device optimized for their needs.

I bet they think that people like you will just buy online and choose in store pickup...

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by galoisscobi »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Not been my experience when I’ve bought apple watches. Product walk through were always optional that store employees were happy to offer, I always skipped them, brought the watch and was on my way.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by kkielhofner »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Was this your first Apple Watch?

When I last went to an Apple Store to get a new one (while wearing my current Apple Watch) I just said “I know what I want and what I’m doing”.

They handed me the box on the spot in the middle of the store and I paid with the mobile PoS terminal they carry.

I was in and out in less than five minutes and this was at their very busy Chicago Michigan Avenue store. Maybe they’re that efficient because it is busy but like most Apple Store experiences I’ve had it was very fast and efficient - they didn’t get in the way of me spending my money, that’s for sure.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by dgellow »

It feels like they want to use this first version of the Vision Pro as a sort of public beta release? My speculation is that their target audience is quite niche, on purpose, that they want to see how it performs in real life, while controlling the onboarding and working on ramping up their production processes. And a future version would target the general public. Just my personal thoughts.

It’s not for me in its current form, I feel I wouldn’t be able to deal with a heavy and warm mask on my face isolating me from my surrounding for more than a few minutes (quite sure I would be sweating a good amount while wearing it…). Hopefully we will get something closer to Dennou Coil soon :)

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by scarface_74 »

dndn1 wrote: post #207
jwells89 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I sympathize with feeling disappointed in having to pay for apps for use with such an expensive headset, I believe that its price would have severely restricted the number of free apps available for it in the first place. Developers are going to want to recuperate their investment, and that'd remain true even if it were possible to install whatever one pleased on it. It's technically possible to develop on the…

Surprisingly the GP didn't include price of the device as a reason, but the 30% Apple cut/likely uplift in price that developers need to charge to recuperate development costs - which are far more significant than developer hardware costs. A non-Apple device without the moat would be better. GP also didn't ask for free apps.

Yes that must be why there is a thriving profitable market for apps on Android that don’t go through the Play Store.

Almost every non game app on the iPhone/iPad of note require a subscription and most outside of the App Store.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by Turing_Machine »

throwuwu wrote: post #64
upon_drumhead wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They showed in the demo the switching lenses was easy as they are magnetic. Likely the upfront issues would be getting everyone their personalized lenses, but actually using seems like it would be easy.

They’d better sell a good storage solution for those lenses too otherwise they’re going to get lost or mixed up easily

Apple already does laser engraving for products bought in the online store. For the price point of this thing, they can probably move engraving into the retail stores (not long ago, I bought a laser engraver for my hobby 3D printer for a few hundred bucks -- they're not expensive, certainly not by Apple Store standards).

As for getting lost, Apple already has their AirTag technology. While I don't know if that's already in these lenses, it doesn't seem like it'd be difficult to add.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by MegaDeKay »

jerlam wrote: post #90
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

For some, it might be easier and cheaper to get an Apple Vision Pro-specific prescription and contact lenses than to update the lenses in the device, assuming you're ok with contacts.

I'm not, actually. My eyes are pretty dry and I can always feel those little pieces of plastic in my eye.
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