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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by JKCalhoun » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:20 PM UTC

gibbitz wrote: post #24

Even if they came to my house to fit me with it I wouldn't buy it. What problem is it solving for someone other than Apple? We've been seeing this AR pipe-dream for 10+ years and it hasn't caught on. Not because the technology was bad, but because people just don't want it. What Apple is missing here is that people wanted the iPhone (a phone with an iPod built in) for years before it was even officially announced as…

I agree with you.

I may be an old man, but what I want is the opposite of immersive technology. Put a computer on my face? Are you kidding? The one in my pocket already feels increasingly parasitic.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by scarface_74 » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:21 PM UTC

kcplate wrote: post #5

shipscode wrote: post #4

Having messed with VR/AR tech since the DK2, the Apple Store presence could be the killer app that VR/AR needs. The manual learning process of ordering special fit lenses, adjusting the headsets, etc would be a great fit with Apple’s store model.

So the killer app for a $3.5k product is an app that helps you buy other expensive products from the same company? Maybe I misunderstood, but if not count me skeptical.

The entire purpose of the Apple Stores were to be a showcase where Apple controlled the narrative.

It has been one of Apple’s competitive advantages since 2001.

How many people are going to spend $3500 on a device that by definition you have to try on in person to see if you want it?

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by lttlrck » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:21 PM UTC

haberman wrote: post #52

balls187 wrote: post #42

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How old are you? 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, or beyond? As you likely know your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s. Also I assume you have considered LASIK?

I always assumed I'd get LASIK if my vision started to degrade. Then I learned that apparently LASIK can't treat age-related farsightedness: fixing your close vision will mess up your far vision. The only option AFAIU is to treat one eye only, so you have one eye for close vision and one eye for far. That doesn't sound very enticing to me.

Yep. I have had myopia since my teens and by the time I decided to consider LASIK at 40 my optician told me it wasn't worth it because my vision will start to adjust toward far sightedness within 10 years.

Fantastic advice! A few years later my prescription started to drop and I wear glasses less and less.

If I had LASIK I'd be looking at glasses or more LASIK already.

I do have low prescription inserts for VR because one eye is slightly weaker and I found that more noticeable than IRL.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by ajmurmann » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

usrusr wrote: post #46

Kerbonut wrote: post #20

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Do you share your iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, AirPods or Apple Watch with friends and family? It’s touted as a work machine first and foremost right? Do you share your work laptop with others? Apple exec logic I’m sure. I get what you’re saying and it’s hard to describe (and never really does it justice) the experience of this technology. It’s something you have to experience yourself to understand.

The iPhone was basically sold by owners showing future owners the pinch zoom and making them try for themselves.

I'm in the camp that sees ipads and phones as personal, non-shared devices, but you are hitting the nail on the head here.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by Version467 » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

The Bigscreen beyond requires a face scan and generates a custom interface to fit each persons face perfectly. Everything I've read indicates that this actually improves fit and comfort. It helps that the bigscreen beyond is incredibly light and small, but the face scan doesn't seem to be a gimmick.

The Vision Pro might end up a complete failure, but requiring an appointment and a face scan is not a sign for this.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by jansan » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

nabla9 wrote: post #77

Apple masters the art of creating artificial product shortages for marketing purposes. They deny it, they say it's some manufacturing issue, but usually it's just marketing. Here is news from 12 years ago where they deny iPhone 4 shortages are just marketing. https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/20/apple_denies_crea...

Remember when there were export requlations for the Playstation 3 because the chips were so powerful that North Korea could use them for missile guiding systems? I always thought that was excellent marketing.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by chongli » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

doctornoble wrote: post #79

amelius wrote: post #16

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> the fact that you need special fit lenses and a store appointment Sounds like a serious shortcoming if you can't share the device with friends and family.

You can. The Vision Pro supports a primary user that retains settings/user account/AppleID and a secondary user with gets a “guest” account that resets.

How does that work if everyone in your family requires different prescription lenses?

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by ajmurmann » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

r_hoods_ghost wrote: post #22

catchnear4321 wrote: post #12

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the price tag already made this a “not for everyone.” for the enthusiastic, apple is going to make it as low-friction as possible. this is a slow game.

How on earth is forcing someone to go to a store, probably only in a few select locations far away from where you live, low friction?

How sparse are Apple Stores where you live? I have three within very comfortable driving distance and I live in a mid-sized city's metro.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:26 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #16

goosedragons wrote: post #9

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Conversely the fact that you need special fit lenses and a store appointment means its going to be hard to test out and hard to buy. You're probably not going to be able to wander past the Apple store in the mall and take a quick peek in and play with the Vision Pro like you can with their other products like the iPad. Nor will testing your friend's necessarily be a good experience. Plus even in the U.S Apple Store's…

> the fact that you need special fit lenses and a store appointment Sounds like a serious shortcoming if you can't share the device with friends and family.

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by jerlam » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 5:27 PM UTC

MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

For some, it might be easier and cheaper to get an Apple Vision Pro-specific prescription and contact lenses than to update the lenses in the device, assuming you're ok with contacts.