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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by fox86 »

drewg123 wrote: post #136

This product has opened my eyes to "AR" glasses in general, but I think its way overkill for what I want to do.. My use case is being able to code with a giant screen anywhere (plane, hotel room, etc). I just want a few giant editor windows and terminals open. I don't care about gaming, AR gimmicks, etc. From what I understand, there are a number of sub $500 options. (xreal air, rokud air, TCL NXTWEAR, etc). However…

yes exactly - so many options with so many games and apps and social media related experiences and all I (and im sure many others) want is a solution to “how can i travel or be in a hotel and open vi/emacs/terminal and code as comfortably as with a huge monitor(s) home setup that’s impractical to haul around”. Even hauling around 16” laptops with a solid keyboard is a pain and can’t compete with a huge monitor(s) at home setup

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Post by rchaud »

scarface_74 wrote: post #210
pavlov wrote: post #138

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Sure, Apple knows how to market. But with the iPhone, iPad, Mac and Watch, they also had an army of enthusiastic users who would show off these portable devices to all their friends and acquaintances. An ad hoc product demo given by someone you know is often worth more than thousands of dollars in traditional marketing. With the Vision Pro, it’s not obvious that users can give demos so easily. There’s custom face fit…

When Apple introduced the iPhone, they had lines of people waiting to buy one without ever trying it. The same was true with the iPad. Apple sold 10 million iPhones in the first year. But 10 million was such a small number, that the chance of you seeing one in the wild wasn’t that common. Apple is already seeding journalist with demos and it’s getting enough buzz from people in YouTube who were invited to use one and…

Buzz is cheap. Matt Damon and Larry David made crypto ads, Apple's not going to get very far with a slow drip of influencer marketing.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

samstave wrote: post #128
dagmx wrote: post #34

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The big win I think will be the App Store rather than just the Apple Store. the App Store will provide reducing the need to take the headset off to use general apps. When you use an oculus, if you need to do something like reply to a text, check an email or reply to someone on social media, you have to take off your headset or kill your current task and switch to virtual desktop. Having all your iOS apps on it, and b…

>* Software differentiator* - The reasons I would not like to have one of these devices ; * Apple's closed moat * App store lock-in * 'DLC' model whereby not a single thing you do on this $3,500 device will be free - and no matter what app you choose, Apple takes 30% of whatever revenue stream that app wants... * The piss-poor apple fix-service market, and their shitty designs of the iphone which break so fn easily t…

> The reasons I would not like to have one of these devices ;

I'm sure there are a number of people here who will agree with you.

On the other hand, the fact that Apple now has a $3 trillion-with-a-"t" market cap indicates that most people do not care about any of these issues. Not in the slightest.

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Post by whimsicalism »

renewiltord wrote: post #156
JKCalhoun wrote: post #81

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I agree with you. I may be an old man, but what I want is the opposite of immersive technology. Put a computer on my face? Are you kidding? The one in my pocket already feels increasingly parasitic.

Nah, you're not an old man or anything like that. This is just the mainstream present technological scepticism. At some point marvelous technology became so ubiquitous we became blasé about it. Cynicism, pessimism, and affected jadedness have always been the way people have attempted to sound cool. Nothing new about that part. Ultimately, the question is whether your path brings you joy.

You’re downvoted but I agree with you - tech has a massive gap between stated and revealed preferences.

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Post by throwanem »

jeffdn wrote: post #213
hghid wrote: post #202

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That is true, but I'm sometimes I'm frankly far too impatient to wait for delivery.

You can frequently get same-day delivery for a nominal fee, even within a few hours! My partner’s phone broke after she dropped it one too many times at about 7:30am on a recent morning, and we had a new one in hand without leaving the house by 10:30am.

Yes, and then too sometimes you order for same-day delivery and the store hands the bag to an Uber Eats driver (they actually do partner with Uber Eats for courier service!) who mysteriously never turns up to hand it off to you. Then you have to spend a few hours on the phone with Apple to make sure you don't end up paying for a phone you never got.

I don't blame the guy who stole it, although I might if I'd had to hold the bill for his act of sticky-fingered entrepreneurship. I do blame Apple for using a service, whose drivers normally handle $50 in food at a time, to deliver nonperishable and highly portable items of 20 or more times that value.

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Post by scarface_74 »

evandale wrote: post #222
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #189

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> The Moto 360 was out before the Apple watch. And it was seen as a toy for geeks and software developers who think t-shirts are an acceptable office attire despite being the most watch-like of the smartwatches. I would never have gone to the office wearing a moto360. People would have given me funny looks all day. Meanwhile you can wear an Apple Watch with your suit and everyone finds that acceptable.

> And it was seen as a toy for geeks and software developers who think t-shirts are an acceptable office attire despite being the most watch-like of the smartwatches. Source please! That's not how I remember the release, I recall it was very well recieved and sold out everywhere with the battery life being the biggest complaint. > I would never have gone to the office wearing a moto360. People would have given me fun…

The first reviews I found from versions circa 2014.

https://www.cnet.com/reviews/motorola-moto-360-review/

https://www.alphr.com/motorola/32669/motorola-moto-360-revie...

Criticisms of how much the OS sucks

https://www.theverge.com/2014/9/5/6108947/moto-360-review

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Post by hghid »

soligern wrote: post #214
hghid wrote: post #202

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That is true, but I'm sometimes I'm frankly far too impatient to wait for delivery.

Just order it then go and pick it up in store. High touch customer service is universally considered a good thing, but for someone like you, you can order it online or just pick it up in store.

I'm not sure I agree with "universally", I bet there are a awful lot of people who can't stand that level of service and find it quite uncomfortable. I get that I could order ahead etc, but that makes an impulse purchase into a multi-step process. I'm sure the multi-trillion dollar company felt that pain when I still bought their product only from a different place. Oh wait... ;-)

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Post by [deleted] »

ozten wrote: post #58
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

VR’s focus plane is 4-6 feet away for all distances, so you won’t need progressive lenses.

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Post by ozten »

criddell wrote: post #245
ozten wrote: post #58

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VR’s focus plane is 4-6 feet away for all distances, so you won’t need progressive lenses.

But the screen is always 2” away. As you look from things that are drawn as if they are near or far is kind of irrelevant, isn’t it? Your focus depth won’t change because your actual focus depth never changes.

https://reloptix.com/pages/prescription-instructions

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Post by jjtheblunt »

hghid wrote: post #197

Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

You can just say that you know what you're doing and don't need help. Maybe with a reassuring "i'm sure".
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