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Fairphone 4 is coming to the US

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> 2 hours is pushing it for pretty much anything. bf could, lambda calculus as well, or potentially cellular automata. Also implementing IO is still important, as the apps depend on it. What I am saying in my case is that the hardware manufacturer should expose the basic hardware features as functions (so immutable, there is nothing to update here) and you would then be able to implement whatever your app is written…

> bf could, lambda calculus as well, or potentially cellular automata Good luck turning those into silicon with any kind of performance. > Why would strings be slower? These would be part of the static binary. These calls being hint and not necessarily standardized is an important part. Because string comparisons are slow. Non-standardized hints are not a basis upon which software can be built. What you've described…

> Good luck turning those into silicon with any kind of performance.

It doesn't have to be the hardware ISA, nothing would prevent the hardware manufacturer from including a compiler.

> Because string comparisons are slow. Non-standardized hints are not a basis upon which software can be built.

The comparison will only happen once, I do not think that we should argue about 2-3 string comparisons heating our CPUs. And you can definitely build software this way, you just need to work on the way the user map its hardware to the software.

> I can write a library that implements all the APIs needed to run discord on older versions of Android

But the hardware is there, the problem is that the mapping must be done through low level code.

> Your OS can't design a GUI for you, unless you're assuming the OS is also an artificial general intelligence.

I am not speaking about AI, but I do believe that our OSs could help us draw an interface from data. There are many UI creation tool, but they aren't meant to be real-time.

> GUI apps are complex to make because their behavior is complex.

They are complex to write, but very simple to describe (if you accept to give up on some details). I could describe my HN page layout to you way faster using english than html/css. GUI apps are complex because we are trying to map them to weird standards. Good luck implementing a CSS parser.

> You can totally port discord to an arduino! Get it to boot linux, run a web browser and open discordapp.com.

You can theoretically do it yes, in the same way developers could in theory port their apps to every single platform current and future. But in practice it isn't the case, and my calculator app will likely stop working in 5 years because of some weird API change.

> I think the core issue you're trying to address is fragmentation. Unfortunately it's a natural result of people interacting with one another, not something you can fix with good design or software. It ends up leading to a lot of wasted work, but it's also a massive drive to innovate.

I believe otherwise, instead of fighting against new platforms by exposing restrictive standards, I want to embrace the different platforms by allowing developers to write what they app should do instead of how. If your apps want to draw pixels, they should just draw pixel. How the windows must open is completely irrelevant and the OS/user should be able to figure that out.

Re: Fairphone 4 is coming to the US

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> Too many hardware bugs with the FP3 that were never acknowledged by the vendor I have a FP3, and it has been my first and only Android smartphone. I now wonder if what I've experienced is the "normal Android experience" or if I would have experienced something different from another brand. I'm also avoiding / disabling Google stuffs (I'm using f-droid, ...). I was occasionally surprised to see how a lot of people a…

* Easily damaged by moisture (even though they've claimed certain IP ratings), due to the printed conductor inside the plastic layers with pin connectors * Battery swelling after less than two years of operation (no way to source this battery locally since they've built a custom connector / redesigned an standard OEM battery) * Overheating * Touch screen glitches (they've resolved that after a year via software, supp…

I bought a FP3+ a year ago and run it with LineageOS (with microG). I don't have any of the issues you list except for LED and brightness. However I do have random troubles with location, but that's probably due to being de-googled.

Regarding WiFi, did you try disabling the "battery optimizer"?

Re: Fairphone 4 is coming to the US

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When people talk about the Fairphone there are always people bringing up the same or similar (often very valid) points. I would like to use this post sum up some Reddit discussion I took part in when the Fairphone 3 launched because the main points are still relevant for the Fairphone 4 launch: Q: Wasn't the point of Fairphone to have ONE phone and then buy "extensions" or/and replacements only, aka modular - for the…

> Q: Wasn't the point of Fairphone to have ONE phone and then buy "extensions" or/and replacements only, aka modular - for the sake of preserving the environment, etc etc?!

Sounds like they are confusing it with "Phoneblocks", which went viral around the time the FP1 launched. Logos look similar, too.

Re: Fairphone 4 is coming to the US

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I wished there was a Graphene/Lineage OS phone (OEM supported; not “flash it yourself” sorcery needed kinda thing). And something within the size of original iPhone SE or Mini with just even an above average battery. I’d pay a premium for that phone. It’s my wishful thinking about smartphones.

I'm with you for a smaller phone. A Sony Xperia X Compact with no bezel would be great https://gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x_compact-8292.php And the lightness!

I had an XZ1c and, despite the bezels, I still prefer it to the Zenfone 8 that succeeded it. Unfortunately my carrier forced me to "upgrade" otherwise I'd likely still be using it to this day. And my god it was robust. I did unspeakable things to that phone and it never chipped or cracked - and we're talking drops on to gravel, concrete, and steel.

Hopefully one day we'll see something similar again.

Re: Fairphone 4 is coming to the US

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> There doesn't appear to be a single mention in the forums of a repair shop willing to work on the FP4. That's a good point as well, companies like Framework are doing a better job on that front (afair) with releasing detailed repair PDFs for shops that need the circuitry to debug electrical issues/replace parts. Haven't seen something from Fairphone yet. > Apparently, for the FP4 (reportedly in a departure from som…

>That's a good point as well, companies like Framework are doing a better job on that front (afair) with releasing detailed repair PDFs for shops that need the circuitry to debug electrical issues/replace parts. Haven't seen something from Fairphone yet. A frustrating thing is that Fairphone actually has released quite detailed information for the FP4 [1], I think to a significantly greater extent than Framework. It…

I think it’s a bit easier to release that info for a smartphone than an intel laptop

Re: Fairphone 4 is coming to the US

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Besides not making smartphones what do you think the actual root problem is and how would you tackle it?

I believe that the root problems are programs having direct access to environment, being compiled down to hardware instructions, and these instructions not being easily interpretable (without having access to an already made interpreter) These problems cause software to depend on highly specific platforms [1] that prevent any hardware from being standalone-ly sustainable. * Environment access creates the opportunity…

All I can say is good luck with all of that. I don't see any company ever doing that.

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I really wish Fairphone 4 had GrapheneOS support, but after almost 4 years of Fairphone 3 I decided to go with a Pixel instead. Too many hardware bugs with the FP3 that were never acknowledged by the vendor and unhappy customers with bricked FP4's that requires sending them back in. Also I would have hoped for them continuing the FP3 architecture, feels such a waste that they've now instead developed a much more expe…

I wished there was a Graphene/Lineage OS phone (OEM supported; not “flash it yourself” sorcery needed kinda thing). And something within the size of original iPhone SE or Mini with just even an above average battery. I’d pay a premium for that phone. It’s my wishful thinking about smartphones.

Apple tried to bring small phones back and not that many people bought the mini relative to the regular size iPhone. Other than a few attempts by android phone manufacturers the iPhone 13 mini will probably be the best small phone made.

Re: Fairphone 4 is coming to the US

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I wished there was a Graphene/Lineage OS phone (OEM supported; not “flash it yourself” sorcery needed kinda thing). And something within the size of original iPhone SE or Mini with just even an above average battery. I’d pay a premium for that phone. It’s my wishful thinking about smartphones.

Apple tried to bring small phones back and not that many people bought the mini relative to the regular size iPhone. Other than a few attempts by android phone manufacturers the iPhone 13 mini will probably be the best small phone made.

The thing is, for people who want a small phone, the 13 mini still has a pretty hefty feel. Compared to the 5s/orig SE body it's massive and it's only a tiny bit shorter and narrower than the 8/new SE, while feeling thicker.

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Every single useful device on earth that is connected to the internet needs to be updated regularly. You sounds like a salesperson telling a dev "why didn't you make our software bug free and vulnerability free????" You're free to use Windows XP and a Nokia 3310.

> Every single useful device on earth that is connected to the internet needs to be updated regularly. Could you explain me why? I am not saying that developer should simply make software bug free, I know that this is impossible, I however believe that you could heavily reduce friction point by simply having less code, and reducing the software reliance on the hardware/OS Monolithic projects like Android prevents it…

"Could you explain me why?"

Well for starters bug and vulnerabilities. Hundred of millions/or even billions of devices are hackable without that much effort, why? Because people use outdated versions of their software.

>Monolithic projects like Android prevents it from happening, you have to depend on that huge codebase to run any software,

You could say the same about any decent OS.

If you want no updates and don't care about features, get a Nokia 3310.

>you need to continuously update your hardware

No one is preventing you from using a 10 yo device with hundreds of vulnerabilities and 500mb of ram.

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