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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by mathgeek »

dagmx wrote: post #34
shipscode wrote: post #4

Having messed with VR/AR tech since the DK2, the Apple Store presence could be the killer app that VR/AR needs. The manual learning process of ordering special fit lenses, adjusting the headsets, etc would be a great fit with Apple’s store model.

The big win I think will be the App Store rather than just the Apple Store. the App Store will provide reducing the need to take the headset off to use general apps. When you use an oculus, if you need to do something like reply to a text, check an email or reply to someone on social media, you have to take off your headset or kill your current task and switch to virtual desktop. Having all your iOS apps on it, and b…

> and they’ll not have to consider dedicated VR time

The reported battery life on the Vision Pro is still going to require that you have dedicated "goggles on" time for the foreseeable future.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by balls187 »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

How old are you? 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, or beyond?

As you likely know your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s.

Also I assume you have considered LASIK?

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by FreezerburnV »

balls187 wrote: post #42
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

How old are you? 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, or beyond? As you likely know your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s. Also I assume you have considered LASIK?

LASIK can't be considered until your prescription stabilizes for at least a year or two, so that isn't helpful to someone whose prescription is constantly changing.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by stevenwoo »

chasing wrote: post #27
Kerbonut wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you share your iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, AirPods or Apple Watch with friends and family? It’s touted as a work machine first and foremost right? Do you share your work laptop with others? Apple exec logic I’m sure. I get what you’re saying and it’s hard to describe (and never really does it justice) the experience of this technology. It’s something you have to experience yourself to understand.

I share my PlayStation and AppleTV with friends and family. And, yeah, my kid regularly uses my iPad and family members definitely use one another’s phones on occasion. Also the Vision Pro is expensive enough that not every family member will get one — if there’s one in the house it sure would be cool if everyone could use it.

It sure sounds like anyone in a household can use it but if anyone has a different eyeglass corrective lens prescription (very likely unless everyone still has 20/20 vision) from the primary user it’s a very substandard experience.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by zaphod420 »

balls187 wrote: post #42
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

How old are you? 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, or beyond? As you likely know your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s. Also I assume you have considered LASIK?

My vision was perfect until I hit 40. Now I need a new prescription ever couple of years.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by usrusr »

Kerbonut wrote: post #20
amelius wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the fact that you need special fit lenses and a store appointment Sounds like a serious shortcoming if you can't share the device with friends and family.

Do you share your iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, AirPods or Apple Watch with friends and family? It’s touted as a work machine first and foremost right? Do you share your work laptop with others? Apple exec logic I’m sure. I get what you’re saying and it’s hard to describe (and never really does it justice) the experience of this technology. It’s something you have to experience yourself to understand.

The iPhone was basically sold by owners showing future owners the pinch zoom and making them try for themselves.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by kibwen »

balls187 wrote: post #42
MegaDeKay wrote: post #38

"Gurman says Apple will ensure that the Vision Pro fits the wearer and also outfit the device with prescription lens inserts if needed" I wear prescription glasses and have gone from single vision to progressive lenses that are stupid expensive. Worse, my prescription changes every visit to the optometrist. How sensitive is the headset's performance to my prescription, how expensive would replacement lenses be, and h…

How old are you? 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, or beyond? As you likely know your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s. Also I assume you have considered LASIK?

> your vision will eventually settle when you hit late 30’s

Eyesight doesn't settle, it continues to deteriorate with age. Lasik also deteriorates with time, normally becoming noticeable about ten years after the surgery. Lasik providers offer "touch ups" as you get older in order to ameliorate this.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by dagmx »

mathgeek wrote: post #41
dagmx wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big win I think will be the App Store rather than just the Apple Store. the App Store will provide reducing the need to take the headset off to use general apps. When you use an oculus, if you need to do something like reply to a text, check an email or reply to someone on social media, you have to take off your headset or kill your current task and switch to virtual desktop. Having all your iOS apps on it, and b…

> and they’ll not have to consider dedicated VR time The reported battery life on the Vision Pro is still going to require that you have dedicated "goggles on" time for the foreseeable future.

the battery has a usb-c port in photos that implies you can charge it while using it.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by anonymouse008 »

They need to go back and read the Newton’s postmortem. With every new detail about this devices release - it’s becoming clearer and clearer this device just is not ready.

I was excited iPad apps could be directly ported over to VisionPro - but now after hacking with it in XCode - it’s evident this device and its APIs have no idea that customer intent drives context.

This lack of customer awareness is so interesting because all the designers in WWDC videos outline context with great labor. They forget a space is only part of an intent, and an intent is not a click or scroll. Intents demand a certain context, not the other way around - they’re scratching at old scars of starting with technology first then working to some customer experience.

Everyone pulls up the SJ D3 interview to say VisionPro is what Steve would want - but just like everything he says, if you only quickly listen you miss the full history and intent - he says something along the lines of “headphones are just as good as amazing audio systems, displays on your face need to get better before we can recreate the plasma tv experience” - only after a lot of reflection did I come to understand this means audio passive consumption and display passive consumption. The customer intent for a display on face context is to recreate watching a plasma tv - following this intent means you end up with something completely different than what is happening now (I think SOL has nailed this, but perhaps focused too niche on the use case). Only later do you pull forward interactivity - as in the delay between headphones and Siri, which is still lagging.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Post by msla »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #19
geraldwhen wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the joys of traveling through high crime mall areas to arrive at a crowded Apple Store. At least one has a permanent police presence at the door.

that’s the killer app for the headset. access to a virtual apple store with no crowding, no wait, and no pilgrimage required. payment charged to apple card using an eyeball scan. hey, siri, let’s go to the mall.

> access to a virtual apple store with no crowding, no wait, and no pilgrimage required. payment charged to apple card using an eyeball scan.

The best use of VR Apple can come up with is going to a store?

It takes a lot to be outdone by the Metaverse, but trust Apple to accomplish it.

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