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Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by smugma »

earthling8118 wrote: post #275
trws wrote: post #157

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I’m actually curious about specifics here for macOS aside from things like hidden scroll bars. Mainly because I find it to be one of the most discoverable. If you go into the ‘help’ menu in any application, you get a search box that searches all the menus of the application, if a shortcut exists for the action it’s listed alongside it. Admittedly Qt and KDE can do this too, but only for QT apps, while on macOS it’s e…

You're looking for specifics from people that don't necessarily have them. Not because their reasoning isn't valid, but a lot of us don't use the ecosystem frequently enough for them to be in the foreground of our minds. I had to use an iPhone for a few weeks when mine broke. That was enough to convince me to never touch any of their products again. I'd love to tell you more about it but it's been 4 years and I just…

This makes sense. The few times I’ve tried to help someone with Android, I had to go very slowly through every single step. The two look pretty similar from afar but are quite different. I can still make my way around Windows because I’ve used it before.

My 70-80+ year old parents can use iOS abd ipados mostly fine but get lots of things wrong on their Mac, so it seems to be a net improvement.

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by skyzyx »

For this specific article, it’s 100% speculation.

I’m not saying it isn’t true, but rather there is no evidence to support it. Ars Technica is also reporting on this topic this morning, and they are also missing evidence-backed sources. It’s all Wall Street analyst speculation.

Read with several large, coarse, grains of salt.

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by phatskat »

flohofwoe wrote: post #201
ilinx wrote: post #138

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Could you provide an example of the sort of thing you’re talking about? Because I’m the type of person the other commenter was talking about (I’ve been in the Apple ecosystem for a very long time), and I feel I’m too close to it to have a reasonably objective viewpoint on it one way or the other.

The macOS 'application centric' window system model is an excellent example IMHO. Alt-Tab (erm... Cmd-Tab) switching through applications instead of windows (and then having a separate hotkey to tab through windows, but only within one application), and that mess combined with the fact that there can be UI applications that just have a menu bar but no open windows is just incredibly bizarre (and even though I'm now a…

I grew up on Windows and Linux, but a mostly daily Mac user for more than a decade now.

I think the app vs window centric model really comes down to user preference - I think I could get used to window again but I had Chrome, Audacity, and the windows explorer open last night with maybe five windows and was alt-tabbing to all the wrong places. My brain just makes sense of “get to application, then find the window” better than a list of windows I have to sift through across disparate apps.

I agree with the scroll bars and settings getting worse. Buttons are either way, but - like app vs window switching - could be remedied with a setting to change the behavior.

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by wahnfrieden »

theshrike79 wrote: post #419
wahnfrieden wrote: post #155

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apple enterprise is an even thinner slice of that

All you need is something like the Avatar 3 production buying a 1000 of these so they can show the previz live for everyone on the greenscreen set.

idk how that's relevant

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by phatskat »

amelius wrote: post #254
ilinx wrote: post #138

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Could you provide an example of the sort of thing you’re talking about? Because I’m the type of person the other commenter was talking about (I’ve been in the Apple ecosystem for a very long time), and I feel I’m too close to it to have a reasonably objective viewpoint on it one way or the other.

Like how are the "maximize window" and "minimize window" buttons even supposed to work? (That traffic light on top of your windows) Or why don't we have Copy and Paste keys on our keyboards. Or Undo and Redo keys? Or why is the USB drive in the back of an Apple monitor? Or why is everything so opinionated? Or that mouse that could only be charged with the cable plugged into the bottom so you couldn't use it? Or in ea…

For this one

> Or why don't we have Copy and Paste keys on our keyboards. Or Undo and Redo keys?

Copy: Cmd+c

Paste: Cmd+v

Undo: Cmd+z

Redo: Cmd+Shift+z or maybe Cmd+y if the devs do windows stuff too

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #231
rchaud wrote: post #179

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Airpods are an existing product category (headphones) that everybody with a phone already uses. Couple that with Apple products being a status symbol, advertised everywhere, and it's not hard to see how Airpods could succeed even at a $200-ish price point. As for AVP, it is a brand new category where the use cases are yet to be identified. It costs 2 months' rent, it has no killer apps that people are going to line u…

Not the “Apple products are status symbols” canard. How is something a “status symbol” if it has a 60% market share in the case of phones? Any teenager working at McDonalds can buy an iPhone on 2 year contract or get one “free” with a contract from one of the low end MVNOs

> How is something a “status symbol” if it has a 60% market share in the case of phones?

Perhaps the majority of humans alive today don't live in a market where that's true?

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by troupo »

cxr wrote: post #415
troupo wrote: post #414

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> Access each app's sandbox to move/copy/exfiltrate the data contained there, for whatever reason the user desires. That breaks the security promise that apps don't have direct access to other apps' data. There's a reason you can't even access photos without an explicit user prompt. > Not much different from the way file managers are used on traditional desktop systems Traditional desktop systems never had heavily sa…

> That breaks the security promise that apps don't have direct access to other apps' data. No it doesn't. Giving the user the ability to get their hands on their own data is not the same as giving other apps direct access to it. > Traditional desktop systems never had heavily sandboxed apps with no outside access That's completely orthogonal.

> Giving the user the ability to get their hands on their own data

Does the user have the need for that on an iPhone?

I don't think a single app on my phone has any files I'd ever need access to

> That's completely orthogonal.

Of course it's not orthogonal

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by flohofwoe »

catiopatio wrote: post #291
flohofwoe wrote: post #201

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The macOS 'application centric' window system model is an excellent example IMHO. Alt-Tab (erm... Cmd-Tab) switching through applications instead of windows (and then having a separate hotkey to tab through windows, but only within one application), and that mess combined with the fact that there can be UI applications that just have a menu bar but no open windows is just incredibly bizarre (and even though I'm now a…

I love the application centric model; I find the “window” centric model to be incredibly messy. I’m assuming you came to macOS from some years using Windows?

Basically Amiga => Windows (since ca 1998) => Mac + Windows + Linux (since ca 2010)

...but I was also exposed to 90's Macs somewhat. I remember that my switch from the Amiga UI to Windows was fairly smooth, but I never got quite used to the Mac UI (not that it matters all that much though because I mostly switched back to the command line anyway, that's the only way to keep sane when switching regularly between Mac, Windows and Linux).

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by kzrdude »

flohofwoe wrote: post #201
ilinx wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide an example of the sort of thing you’re talking about? Because I’m the type of person the other commenter was talking about (I’ve been in the Apple ecosystem for a very long time), and I feel I’m too close to it to have a reasonably objective viewpoint on it one way or the other.

The macOS 'application centric' window system model is an excellent example IMHO. Alt-Tab (erm... Cmd-Tab) switching through applications instead of windows (and then having a separate hotkey to tab through windows, but only within one application), and that mess combined with the fact that there can be UI applications that just have a menu bar but no open windows is just incredibly bizarre (and even though I'm now a…

By now Linux (Gnome, sure) has copied apple and hidden the scrollbar. But Apple does it better, so they still lead in UI.

Re: Apple forced to make major cuts to Vision Pro headset production plans

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Post by flohofwoe »

kzrdude wrote: post #429
flohofwoe wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The macOS 'application centric' window system model is an excellent example IMHO. Alt-Tab (erm... Cmd-Tab) switching through applications instead of windows (and then having a separate hotkey to tab through windows, but only within one application), and that mess combined with the fact that there can be UI applications that just have a menu bar but no open windows is just incredibly bizarre (and even though I'm now a…

By now Linux (Gnome, sure) has copied apple and hidden the scrollbar. But Apple does it better, so they still lead in UI.

That's another but even bigger problem: Apple is so highly regarded by designers (which was even justified in the past when Apple did actual UX research), that they just blindly copy even the bad stuff.
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