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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Forget 4K, 6K, or 8K. Pixel density is the spec when considering any display. It doesn't matter if it's a wearable, phone, laptop, monitor, TV, or stadium wrapping LED surface, the only important factors for resolution are the distance to the viewer's eyes and the distance between the pixels. For context, 20/20 vision is the ability to perceive 1 arcminute of angular resolution. Beyond that point there are diminishin…

So viewing from 40cm away is about the point where 220PPI crosses the point where you can tell any difference? That makes me think 220 is quite a well picked number, as that's about how far away someone might typically be viewing.

> So viewing from 40cm away is about the point where 220PPI crosses the point where you can tell any difference?

There is a difference between your ability to resolve, and whether you can tell _any_ difference. The usual measure of sight is visual acuity, which is your ability to discern details of a certain size at a certain distance. Specifically, in most exams, it's the ability to tell strokes from blobs.

However, even when the pixel density is beyond your ability to discern details, they can still affect your perception in other ways. For example, misalignment of borders can be detected far beyond what your visual acuity is.

On computer screens, particularly, pixel density also affects how things are rendered, think diagonal lines, curves, hollow spaces, etc. Take an extreme example, a box rendered on a 4x4 screen is going to look better than on a 2x2 screen even if the former is twice the distance away.

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20/20 vision is a low bar though. I’m bothered by how much my vision has deteriorated since I was a teenager. The difference is obvious, as I now need to walk up to things I used to read from a distance. I’ve tested 20/20 a few weeks ago.

It's the opposite for me; I have to move small things away in order to focus on them. I always joke that if it gets much more worse my arms won't be long enough to hold my phone :-)

So too close and they're out of focus / blurry?

Does VR work for you?

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It wasn't a serious suggestion for a product, I'm aware there's no market for it.

Why not buy an older second hand 720p TV?

I have one, but it's a pretty crappy LCD panel, OLED would be nicer.

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Why not buy an older second hand 720p TV?

I have one, but it's a pretty crappy LCD panel, OLED would be nicer.

Look for plasma TVs instead. I have an old 42" 720p Samsung plasma TV at my parents house and it beats all 1080p LCDs in contrast, sharpness and response time. Perfect for vintage gaming. Pretty sure you could get one dirt cheap on the used market.

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Slightly off topic but I can’t wait until there’s a 120 Hz 8K monitor. It’s the only thing holding me back from upgrading from 4K. I wonder if the current limitation is on the panels, cable bandwidth or absurd price tag…

8K is four times the pixels and therefore four times the bandwidth as a 4K monitor. It took us a long time to go from 1080p to 4K. It has taken even longer for 4K at 120-144Hz to be practical. It’s more likely that you’ll end up with intermediate steps to 5K, 6K, than getting 8K 120Hz. The other limitation is lack of demand. You need a gigantic monitor for 8K to be worth it, and you need a powerful video card to driv…

I don’t know if that’s necessarily true. I use a 32” 4k 144hz monitor at 100% scaling just fine. I’d loooove to replace it with an 8k monitor with similar refresh rate to run at 200% scaling and keep the same amount of workspace I have now

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Slightly off topic but I can’t wait until there’s a 120 Hz 8K monitor. It’s the only thing holding me back from upgrading from 4K. I wonder if the current limitation is on the panels, cable bandwidth or absurd price tag…

I run the DELL G3223Q (144Hz 4K) and mine calibrated at ~98% DCI-P3 for reference. I'm quite happy with it. https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/g3223q

I have the same monitor but would get an 8k equivalent in a heartbeat. I run it at 100% scaling, and would love that sweet sweet 200% scaling

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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We've had the technology for a while now to make an 8K HDR 120 Hz OLED monitor. The panel tech exists, the scalers exist, the ports and cables also both exist. We'll have this available for purchase any decade now... any decade. Soon, perhaps as early as the 2030s, 2040s tops! All joking aside, I'm tempted to create a GoFundMe page for this and see if there's other people out there interested in convincing a panel ma…

_Do we_ have the cables and ports? AIUI 8K HDR 120 doesn't fit in DisplayPort 2.1 without DSC.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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If anyone is on a high refresh rate screen and wants to see the difference side by side, https://testufo.com is a nice comparison. In most browsers it will go up to whatever refresh rate your monitor runs at, including 144 or 165 hz, probably 240 but I've never owned one of those. I have a hard time believing that anyone with functional eyesight wouldn't be able to see the difference between 60 and 120, but I can def…

I switched from 60Hz to 240Hz on my desktop. The difference in smoothness is immediately noticeable, but I realized I don't really care. When I don't look for it I can switch from 240Hz screen to my laptop and not notice anything. Both run smooth enough for a good user experience. So I personally would always prioritize a good pixel density unless one plays a lot of games that require low input latency.

Even for games where fast reactions aren’t important, I still appreciate the smoothness of high frame rates. I’ve found 1440p / 165 hz with freesync to be a good balance, with enough resolution and things running as smoothly as I want to turn graphics options down for. 60 feels low but anything over 90ish I don’t mind.

Screen wise I got a pair of Dell S2721DGFs that I’m quite happy with. IPS panel and commonly on sale for $300. Weakest point is backlight inconsistency for dark scenes but it’s a compromise I’m willing to put up with.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Monitors are frustratingly slow to evolve.

What would really make a dent in experience is OLED + HDR. In the TV world, the combination with HDR is relatively new as OLED displays struggled with brightness. This particular combination working well is a sight to behold. It makes you consider what absolute crap image you were looking at before.

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I'm shocked that group 2 exists at all. Just wave your mouse around and watch the cursor. Or open up quake and turn around while keeping your eye focused on a stationary object.

> Just wave your mouse around and watch the cursor I just realized that I literally never do this. It is indeed incredibly jarring. even at 60Hz. I think my eyes basically immediately "jump" to where I want to move the cursor, so I don't really "track" it. Do other people track the cursor with their eyes?

My eyes naturally snap to moving objects and track them. And even if I only look at the spot where I want the cursor to be, I can still see it moving and leaving frames behind in my periphery. And that's at 144hz. I'm thinking of getting a 240hz or 390hz soon though.
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