Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor? • Hacker News Board

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by masklinn » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:18 AM UTC

mlonkibjuyhv wrote: post #317

masklinn wrote: post #278

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If it works like the 3419W you have one button press to wake the OSD and then a press on the input you want to switch to. Not terrible, not great either because on the 3419 the OSD is a bit slow and the button are below the screen so you can’t reliable double click to switch.

If you ever try using the KVM feature on for instance a Phillips monitor, you'll realize the Dell feature is a dream!

Oh I’m sure, it’s mostly fine, my biggest annoyance is actually that the OSD buttons take just a bit too much force (especially for how small they are) so you pretty much always lift the corner, which results in the display “bouncing” for a few seconds before it settles.

And that sometimes it’ll get confused and won’t switch the USB peripherals correctly, but that’s not too common (hasn’t happened in a long while in fact, maybe there was a firmware update I didn’t notice which fixed it).

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by morsch » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:22 AM UTC

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rektide wrote: post #19

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It's been pretty amazing how stagnant the monitor space is. I too am really craving an 8k@120 monitor, although there's a decent chance I'll balk at the price.

It’s crazy how much of a regression there was in resolution and picture quality when we went from CRT to LCD displays. In the late 90’s you could get a CRT that did 2048x1536 no sweat with great color and decent refresh rate. Then suddenly LCD displays became the standard and they looked awful. Low resolutions, terrible colors and bad viewing angles. The only real advantage they had was size. It took a decade or so t…

The power draw is also lower for LCD.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by lynguist » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:24 AM UTC

extr wrote: post #133

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

Yes, I went ahead and got a 4K 120hz monitor even though my use-case is coding, because it was so jarring switching between my M1 ProMotion display and my main monitor. Just scrolling/cursor movement is so much smoother, 60hz vs 120hz now feels like what 30hz vs 60hz used to feel like.

Which one did you get? And don't most 4k 120hz monitors "bloom"? Eg the area where your mouse cursor is brighter and when you move it it moves with a bloom around that area?

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by globular-toast » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:31 AM UTC

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I have 120Hz on my phone and the difference is remarkable. But I'm still sceptical. I just wonder if rendering at 120Hz then averaging the two frames to display at 60Hz would have the same effect. It seems like a pretty simple demo to set up (if you know how). Does this exist somewhere? To convince me that real 120Hz is actually worth it.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by watersb » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:32 AM UTC

gardaani wrote: post #316

watersb wrote: post #268

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218 ppi matches the native displays on current Macs. The Dell 8k has 288 pixels per inch, which is 4x the detail of the original Mac. Macintosh 128k was released with a 72 ppi display, so every pixel was the size of a "point", a unit used in more traditional, paper-based graphic design.

Some Macbooks don't match 218 ppi. MacBook Pro 14" and 16" have 254 ppi. I don't know why Apple decided to have such a high ppi for them.

So close... The display with the smallest pixels in my collection has been the quirky Essential PH-1; its display is a silly 504 ppi. I loved that thing, but the device is no longer supported by official updates.

It looks mighty nice, just 4 ppi short of exactly 2x pixels per linear inch of these new Macs. I have no idea why.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by lelanthran » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:41 AM UTC

lrem wrote: post #321

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Forget 4K, 6K, or 8K. Pixel density is the spec when considering any display. It doesn't matter if it's a wearable, phone, laptop, monitor, TV, or stadium wrapping LED surface, the only important factors for resolution are the distance to the viewer's eyes and the distance between the pixels. For context, 20/20 vision is the ability to perceive 1 arcminute of angular resolution. Beyond that point there are diminishin…

20/20 vision is a low bar though. I’m bothered by how much my vision has deteriorated since I was a teenager. The difference is obvious, as I now need to walk up to things I used to read from a distance. I’ve tested 20/20 a few weeks ago.

It's the opposite for me; I have to move small things away in order to focus on them.

I always joke that if it gets much more worse my arms won't be long enough to hold my phone :-)

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by hilbert42 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:49 AM UTC

orliesaurus wrote: post #169

I feel like a fish out of water - I understand the importance of having an external monitor, maybe even 2 monitors if you're on desktop, but...8K ? 32 inch? curved? 120hz ... wow I feel like I have absolute no problems sitting here with a 27 inch 60 hz monitor alongside my Macbook pro...

"but...8K ? 32 inch? curved?"

It depends much on the type of work one is doing. I don't have 8k but I'd surely love to have one when I'm editing high resolution 48-bit TIFF files (≥1GB) which I do quite often.

Normally for other work 1920x1080 is more an adequate.

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Post by nathancahill » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:50 AM UTC

alin23 wrote: post #322

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Does it support DDC over i2c? I want at least sleep mode, input, and brightness control.

Lunar dev here. Looks like it does support DDC brightness control: https://f.alinpanaitiu.com/nAa7gs/Image.png I checked this on https://db.lunar.fyi using the following query: select control, name from displays where name like '%U3224K%' Can’t be sure about DDC input switching though, I have no way of knowing that it works without trying it in front of the monitor. DDC reports success even if the command failed to s…

Just wanted to say, thanks for the fantastic app. It's the first thing I install on a new computer.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by cubefox » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 9:59 AM UTC

Recently there was an article here on HN declaring that LCDs are on their way out now in favor of OLED. That doesn't seem true at all for the monitor market. The author doesn't even mention that both monitors are LCDs.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by qwerty456127 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 10:02 AM UTC

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

> I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration

I don't even understand all this ppi hype, nor even dual displays anymore. I always used dual-triple displays in the past but nowaways I just bought a single table-size (49-inch or something like that) 4k display and put it right in front of my desk just to use it in a plain old 100% mode (no "hi-dpi" scaling, just tweaked some font sizes in editors' configs). This way it effectively replaces 4 displays with a single seamless space - no additional frames, no constraints, almost no head turning, beautiful tiling (when on Windows - PowerToys' FancyZones are great).