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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by dumpsterdiver » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:12 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #149

WheatMillington wrote: post #141

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What about the other very large group, like me, who can easily tell the difference but it's very much not worth the price of admission?

Exactly. I can easily tell the difference and couldn't care less. Brightness, pixel density, and contrast/blacks (including glossiness) are what I care about in terms of image quality. Maybe if I were a gamer it would matter, but I couldn't care less about how smooth scrolling or cursor movement is. It doesn't change my productivity or affect my comfort at all.

I'm in the same boat, except that I recently discovered that in my advanced years (early 40s) I am now one of those people who are "sensitive to certain flashing light patterns or textures". It's not often that it happens, but every blue moon I will be looking at a screen and suddenly begin sweating profusely right before I lose consciousness for a brief bit. Most recently when that happened I passed out on top of my left arm and I was really concerned that it was numb for a good 40 minutes after the event. I called an emergency nurse line and explained the symptoms, and they assured me it wasn't a heart related event, but a reaction to the chaotic light patterns I was subjecting myself to.

Edit: I never got around to my point, which was even though I'm part of the group who doesn't really care about refresh rate, it appears that my body might care.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by uptown » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:13 AM UTC

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

Ugly camera blob up top bother you at all?

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by p1necone » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:18 AM UTC

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I also find group 3 (in this situation and similar) are often proud of their ignorance too, which can be frustrating. They both haven't had enough experience to properly see the difference and actively try not to.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by 111111IIIIIII » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:18 AM UTC

creato wrote: post #206

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #144

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Nor is 120. Even with a 240Hz display, capturing and editing should use 3:2 pulldown for best end user playback. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down

This doesn’t make any sense. Why would you want to use 3:2 pulldown unless your display is interlaced, which AFAIK will never be the case for any modern display? And even if you did use it, it doesn’t do anything to help with the extra 1000/1001 factor, so what is the point?

> Why would you want to use 3:2 pulldown unless your display is interlaced

At this point, the only great reason is that it's an industry standard, but that alone is more than enough reason to still do it, evidenced by the fact that so many people still do it.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by 111111IIIIIII » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:24 AM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #219

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #174

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Theoretically maybe, but 3:2 pulldown is used for playing 23.976 fps video at 29.97Hz. Since this is HN maybe someone with more knowledge about how video editors and modern TVs typically handle this can jump in here. Regardless, I think this would actually have more impact on the end user viewing experience than the job of video editing. The time between frames is tremendous from the standpoint of a video editor, and…

The worst part of incorrect refresh rates for me is on panning footage and you get those janky blocky tears in the image. >The time between frames is tremendous from the standpoint of a video editor, This sounds like something I've heard from people with a head full of fun stuff talking about the space between the notes. There have bee times where that absolutely makes sense, but I'm at a loss on your time between fr…

> The worst part of incorrect refresh rates for me is on panning footage and you get those janky blocky tears in the image.

That sounds a lot more like rolling shutter artifacts than 3:2 pulldown. What kind of camera are you using? Are you shooting with a CMOS sensor?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

> This sounds like something I've heard from people with a head full of fun stuff talking about the space between the notes. There have bee times where that absolutely makes sense, but I'm at a loss on your time between frames.

Haha, fair enough. If you ever feel like diving in yourself, I passionately recommend In the Blink of an Eye by Walter Murch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Blink_of_an_Eye_(Murc...

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by p1necone » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:25 AM UTC

jiggawatts wrote: post #180

We've had the technology for a while now to make an 8K HDR 120 Hz OLED monitor. The panel tech exists, the scalers exist, the ports and cables also both exist. We'll have this available for purchase any decade now... any decade. Soon, perhaps as early as the 2030s, 2040s tops! All joking aside, I'm tempted to create a GoFundMe page for this and see if there's other people out there interested in convincing a panel ma…

I've got the opposite request. I'd love a native 720p oled of a decent size for playing Switch (and PS3/360, I've got a bit of collection) games on.

It's probably a niche market, but most games on the switch run natively at somewhere between 720 and 1080p and look awful scaled up to 4k.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by partiallypro » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:26 AM UTC

steveBK123 wrote: post #216

partiallypro wrote: post #137

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Every Dell monitor I've had from the UltraSharp line has been incredible, especially for the price. So, not sure what you're talking about.

Had an Ultrasharp 27" 4k USB-C that passed the sniff test spec-wise on paper, and was a great deal, again, for the specs.. but it just had awful glare/reflections, low brightness.. backlight failed in under 2 years, warranty service was awful, and they sent me a replacement with a green pixel line. Just an absolute clown show of warranty service. The ROI on the replacement was negative, I'd have been better off throw…

I've owned 6 UltraSharps and 2 of them are even nearly 20 years old and still work. I gave them to someone a few years ago. My old office had UltraSharps and they were flawless, I even requested them because the monitors they originally gave me hurt my eyes. Maybe you just got a bad egg, which happens to virtually every manufacturer.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by jccalhoun » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:28 AM UTC

addisonl wrote: post #93

howinteresting wrote: post #35

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Right, and most people buying high-end monitors are gamers.

Interesting, I’d assume it’s professionals in the video/photography/production space spending the serious money on high end displays. Where are you getting your data?

Well there's "high end" consumer and then there's "high end" professional which is a few times higher in price

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by dylan604 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:28 AM UTC

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #225

dylan604 wrote: post #219

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The worst part of incorrect refresh rates for me is on panning footage and you get those janky blocky tears in the image. >The time between frames is tremendous from the standpoint of a video editor, This sounds like something I've heard from people with a head full of fun stuff talking about the space between the notes. There have bee times where that absolutely makes sense, but I'm at a loss on your time between fr…

> The worst part of incorrect refresh rates for me is on panning footage and you get those janky blocky tears in the image. That sounds a lot more like rolling shutter artifacts than 3:2 pulldown. What kind of camera are you using? Are you shooting with a CMOS sensor? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter > This sounds like something I've heard from people with a head full of fun stuff talking about the spa…

It has nothing to do with 3:2 pulldown. It is all about refresh rates of the monitor. I've shot for years on global shutter (specifically Sony F55), so it absolutely 100% was not a rolling shutter issue either. The same footage can be viewed on another monitor and the tearing issue is not present.

Edit to match your edit: "The book suggests editors prioritize emotion over the pure technicalities of editing."

This totally depends on the content and level of production. I've edited content from properly staffed productions with script notes with circle takes and all that stuff. It's always fun to stack up the various takes to see how the director feels about the takes from the day of the shoot and seeing it edited context. It's also fun to see the actor's variations from take to take.

On shoots with barely enough crew so the camera op is also the boom op, it's basically all feel from the editor.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by 111111IIIIIII » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 2:30 AM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #210

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #144

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Nor is 120. Even with a 240Hz display, capturing and editing should use 3:2 pulldown for best end user playback. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down

who in the world wants to use a 2:3 pulldown pattern on a progressive monitor? the majority of my career has been in properly removing 2:3 pulldown, the other portion was back in the bad-ol-days of putting it in.

> who in the world wants to use a 2:3 pulldown pattern on a progressive monitor?

At least everyone tasked with editing 3:2 pulldown footage for 3:2 pulldown distribution, which is most of the video editors in North America the last time I checked.