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Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I thought I was in 2... till I actually got a 120Hz screen. Since I flip between my desktop at 120Hz and Macbook Air M1 at 60Hz frequently I discovered I really notice. Its always so much nicer when I leave the Air. Everything is so much smoother.

Same difference between 30 and 60hz I imagine. Feels like you go from mega choppy to smooth as butter.

A variable rate between 30-60 is absolutely worse than consistent 30fps.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Modern Linux DPI support is a nightmare. It's a shame, since if you just run and old-school software stack (X11; minimal window manager; xrandr to adjust DPI if you hotplug a monitor), then it has much nicer font rendering than Mac OS. This is particularly frustrating since I've been using high DPI displays since the CRT days. Everything horribly regressed about a decade ago, and still isn't back to 1999 standards.

IDK, high DPI worked fine for me under Linux. I just set the desired DPI in Xfce settings, and everything scales properly. (Except Firefox, which has its own DPI setting! But it works equally painlessly.) Where things go haywire is mixed resolution. It's best avoided :-\ Hence now I have a 28" 4k external screen which is exactly like four 14" FHD screens of my laptop, so the DPI stays strictly the same.

> Hence now I have a 28" 4k external screen which is exactly like four 14" FHD screens of my laptop, so the DPI stays strictly the same.

I did the same and just bought monitors that all have the same DPI, so I can easily use scaling that matches on all of them.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

What about the other very large group, like me, who can easily tell the difference but it's very much not worth the price of admission?

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I own 360hz e-sports monitors, multiple 120hz 4k monitors, and still work on a 60hz XDR with absolutely 0 qualms?

I think you're missing a Group 4 that realizes no one's actually made a top quality 120hz display yet and isn't about to sacrifice clarity for refresh rate when it comes to productivity. (fwiw, the MBP XDR comes closest but it's not a display)

If you value overall picture quality, then the vast majority of 120hz+ screens are either blotchy messes or have unacceptably low pixel density (or both)

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

What about the other very large group, like me, who can easily tell the difference but it's very much not worth the price of admission?

I think it must be a visual processing difference in people's brains. I find 30/60/120 equally playable in gaming, but other people here are calling 30fps intolerable.

Similarly I've used a 1080p monitor for years and I'm fine with it. I don't need tiny pixels for coding and messing around with pixel scaling on Linux seems more trouble than it's worth.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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60 is not a multiple of 24.

Nor is 120. Even with a 240Hz display, capturing and editing should use 3:2 pulldown for best end user playback. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down

This doesn’t make any sense. Why would you want to use 3:2 pulldown unless your display is interlaced, which AFAIK will never be the case for any modern display?

And even if you did use it, it doesn’t do anything to help with the extra 1000/1001 factor, so what is the point?

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

It's certainly specific to your use cases. 60hz is totally fine for all use cases, which I think is why this is a contentious topic at all. But higher refresh rate and content that actually puts out enough frames to utilize it does definitely make it a smoother experience. It is night and day to me, but I play fast moving games at 144fps on a 144hz monitor, so if I am missing half over half the frames I do notice.

I guess that's another group, people correctly in high refresh rate mode but not consuming content that reaches that refresh rate.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

32" is an extremely common size for 4k at 100% scaling so I can see the desire for 8k using 200% scaling at the resolution. 225-250% would probably be more "proper" densities for such a display but many like to go a bit under standard scale.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Took me 2 seconds to notice that a friends monitor was at 60hz by just moving the mouse. Just look at the distance between each cursor icon update as you move it.

Some people use really slow mice (low resolution and/or configured for low sensitivity), which I suspect is a factor here. It's noticeable for me on every single mouse movement— no special effort is required to move the cursor 'quickly'.

That’s a rendering artifact.

You can show multiple mouse images at 60 fps which shouldn’t trick people if they can actually see 90 vs 60 vs 120 fps.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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60 is not a multiple of 24.

Nor is 120. Even with a 240Hz display, capturing and editing should use 3:2 pulldown for best end user playback. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-two_pull_down

who in the world wants to use a 2:3 pulldown pattern on a progressive monitor? the majority of my career has been in properly removing 2:3 pulldown, the other portion was back in the bad-ol-days of putting it in.
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