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43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
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Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#62> The study also found that roughly 75 percent of the white students admitted from those four categories, labeled 'ALDCs' in the study, “would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs,” the study said.
And 100% of affirmative action students would have been rejected otherwise. So this cohort is doing a little better by that standard.
That's not the right comparison. You compare white people to another ethnicity, not to a program. 100% of white legacies that got in because they were legacies got in because they were legacies. That represents 75% of the people who are white legacies, and 31% of white Harvard students.
So the comparison is between e.g. black Harvard students and white Harvard students - would more than 69% of black Harvard students have gotten in even without racial preferences? Maybe, maybe not, but I guarantee you don't know. You're just using Affirmative Action as a euphemism for black, like a racist would. And in addition, racial preferences have been struck down by the Supreme Court, I hope you know, so that means that 31% advantage now stands out there alone, rewarded because one fell out of status quo genitals.
Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#63The article doesn't mention the grades and test scores of legacy students are as strong as non-legacy admitted students. "Among the admitted legacies, grades and test scores were indistinguishable from non-legacy students. Both groups had an average SAT score that surpassed 1430. Once on campus, legacy students tended to have slightly higher college grades, but their involvement in campus activities, merit awards, ac…
I can pretty confidently tell you that for every student admitted to Harvard with 1430 SAT there are at least 10 more students out there who were rejected with at least as much score. SAT score and grades are merely a necessary condition to get in, but they haven't been sufficient in a very long time.
As for grades, check out https://www.thecrimson.com/flyby/article/2013/12/5/the-harva... but in summary, the most common grade in Harvard is A, so don't think the data point says much.
Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
And 100% of affirmative action students would have been rejected otherwise. So this cohort is doing a little better by that standard.
What are you basing this conclusion on?
I’m not the above commenter, but it seems obviously true? They’re not saying minority students, but affirmative action ones.
Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#65The article doesn't mention the grades and test scores of legacy students are as strong as non-legacy admitted students. "Among the admitted legacies, grades and test scores were indistinguishable from non-legacy students. Both groups had an average SAT score that surpassed 1430. Once on campus, legacy students tended to have slightly higher college grades, but their involvement in campus activities, merit awards, ac…
Sounds like a good reason to eliminate legacy admissions if the claim is that these students can compete without the crutch.
Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#66Did the Supreme Court ruling on affirmative action deem legacy admissions unconstitutional?
Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#67Is Harvard not allowed to admit the students they want? It’s the same situation in my local prestige college… very disproportionately slanted towards local kids that have been attending summer programs and the children of staff and faculty. So what?
They were using racial quotas on general admission to try to correct for the fact their legacy admits were overwhelmingly not representative and not based on merit. Their stated goals of diversity and inclusion are a fiction meant to preserve a classist institution.
This isn’t quite true because their racial admission bias was far stronger than that needed to make up for all the nepotism (legacy donor athlete etc) admitees.
Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#68Is Harvard not allowed to admit the students they want? It’s the same situation in my local prestige college… very disproportionately slanted towards local kids that have been attending summer programs and the children of staff and faculty. So what?
So what?
Aside from being egregiously hypocritical and unfair -- the practice promotes foundational rot and moral cretinism among the nation's most powerful and influential, at the expense of society at large. By providing fake credentials to boost the careers of e.g. this person:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner
See in particular:
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-story-behind-jared-ku...
Is Harvard not allowed to admit the students they want?
Not if they want tax-exempt status and federal subsidy.
Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
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Re: 43% of white Harvard students are legacy, athlete, or donor/staff related (2019)
#70Is Harvard not allowed to admit the students they want? It’s the same situation in my local prestige college… very disproportionately slanted towards local kids that have been attending summer programs and the children of staff and faculty. So what?
> Is Harvard not allowed to admit the students they want?
As of last week's US Supreme Court ruling, no.